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READY? YES, WE ARE.[A. CALL TO ORDER]
OKAY.I THINK WE'RE GONNA CALL THE, THE MEETING TO ORDER AT SIX O'CLOCK.
ARE WE WAITING FOR FELIX I, OR NO? I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ON.
THAT'S WHAT I, UH, QUESTION JILL.
DID, DID UH, MR. PARDO CONFIRM THAT HE'S COMING OR WE DON'T KNOW? UM, WE DON'T KNOW.
LET'S GIVE HIM A, A MINUTE OR SO SO HE COULD COME IN AND THERE HE IS.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA START ANYWAYS.
UH, CALLING THE MIN TO GOOD EVENING.
THIS BOARD COMPRISED OF SEVEN MEMBERS, FOUR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CONSTITUTE A QUORUM, AND THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF FOUR BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE ADOPTION OF ANY MOTION.
IF ONLY FOUR MO BOARD MEMBERS ARE PRESENT, AN APPLICANT MAY REQUEST AND BE ENTITLED TO A CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE BOARD.
IF A MATTER IS CONTINUED DUE TO THE LACK OF QUORUM, THE CHAIRPERSON SECRETARY OF THE BOARD MAY SET A SPECIAL MEETING TO CONSIDER SUCH MATTER IN THE EVENT THAT FOUR VOTES ARE NOT OBTAINED BY AN APPLICANT, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT MAY REQUEST A CONTINUOUS OR ALLOW THE APPLICATION TO PROCEED TO CITY COMMISSION WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION.
PURSUANT TO RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 18, THE CITY OF CO GABLES HAS RETURNED TO TRADITIONAL IN-PERSON MEETING.
HOWEVER, THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD HAS ESTABLISHED THE ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS VIRTUALLY.
FOR THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE APPEARING ON A ZOOM BASIS AND WISH TO TESTIFY, YOU MUST BE VISIBLE TO THE COURT REPORTER TO BE SWORN IN.
OTHERWISE, IF YOU SPEAK WITHOUT BEING SWORN IN, YOUR COMMENTS MAY NOT BE VALUE.
VALUABLE LOBBYIST REGISTRATION DISCLOSURE, ANY PERSON WHO ACTS AS A LOBBY MUST REGISTER WITH THE CITY CLERK AS REQUIRED TO THE CITY.
UH, PURSUANT TO CITY CODE AS ACTING CHAIR, I NOW OFFICIALLY CALL THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES PLANNING ZONING BOARD MEETING OF APRIL 15TH.
JILL, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE IGNACIO ALVAR? HERE.
NOTICE, NOTICE REGARDING PARTE COMMUNICATION.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THIS BOARD IS A QUA SIDE JUDICIAL BOARD, WHICH REQUIRES BOARD MEMBERS TO DISCLOSE ALL PARTE COMMUNICATION AND SITE VISITS.
AN PARTE COMMUNICATION IS DEFINED AS ANY CONTACT, COMMUNICATION, CONVERSATION, CORRESPONDENT MEMORANDUM, OR ANY OTHER WRITTEN OR VERBAL COMMUNICATION THAT TAKES PLACE OUTSIDE A PUBLIC HEARING BETWEEN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND A MEMBER OF THE QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD REGARDING MATTERS TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD.
IF ANYONE MADE ANY CONTACT WITH A BOARD MEMBER REGARDING AN ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD MEMBER MUST STATE ON THE RECORD THE EXISTENCE OF THE EXPORTE COMMUNICATION AND THE PARTY WHO ORIGINATED THE COMMUNICATION.
ALSO, IF A BOARD MEMBER CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE CASE BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD MEMBER MUST ALSO DISCLOSE SUCH VISIT.
IN EITHER CASE, THE BOARD MEMBER MUST STATE ON THE RECORD WHETHER THE EXPORTED COMMUNICATION OR SITE VISIT WILL AFFECT THE BOARD MEMBER ABILITY TO IMPARTIALLY CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE TO BE PRESENTED REGARDING THE MATTER.
THE BOARD MEMBER SHOULD ALSO STATE THAT HIS OR HER DECISION WILL BE ON BE BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY PRESENTED ON THE RECORD TODAY.
DOES ANY BOARD MEMBER HAS SUCH ANY SUCH COMMUNICATION OR SITE VISIT TO DISCLOSE AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU.
SCENE NONE SWEARING IN ANYONE WHO SPEAKS THIS SYMPHONY MUST COMPLETE THE ROSTER ON THE PODIUM.
WE ASK THAT YOU PRINT CLEARLY SO THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BE CORRECT.
NOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANY ATTORNEY, ALL PERSON PHYSICALLY IN THIS ROOM IN THE CHAMBER WHO WILL SPEAK ON ANY AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE, UM, RISE TO BE SWORN IN.
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SEEING NONE, WE CLOSE THAT SOON, MR. CHAIRMAN.ORDINARILY WE WOULD HAVE STAFF SWEAR IN, BUT THESE ARE BOTH, UM, LEGISLATIVE ITEMS. SO WE'RE, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO BY JUDICIAL, SO, OKAY.
I WILL ASK ANY PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA ON ANY ITEM TO BE TO PLEASE OPEN YOUR CHAT AND SEND A DIRECT MESSAGE TO JILL MENENDEZ STATING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE THE BOARD INCLUDE YOUR FULL NAME.
JILL WILL CALL YOU WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN TO SPEAK.
I WILL ASK TO BE CONCISE FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME PHONE PLATFORM PARTICIPANT.
AFTER THE ZOOM PLATFORM ARE DONE, I WILL ASK THE PHONE PARTICIPANT TO COMMENT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDAS ITEM.
I'LL ALSO ALSO ASK YOU TO BE CONCISE FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME AT
[C. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES]
THIS TIME, I WILL ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 11TH, 2026.DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
JILL, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALICE BRAVO.
THE PROCEDURE WE WILL USE TONIGHT, WE WILL FIRST IDENTIFIED THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA BY MR. KOHLER.
WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT OR AGENT.
WE'LL FOLLOW BY A PRESENTATION BY STAFF.
WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CHAMBER ZOOM PLATFORM, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THE, UH, PHONE PLATFORM.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE'LL HAVE THE BOARD DISCUSSION.
WE WILL MAKE IN ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND DISCUSSION AS SECOND OF THE BOARD, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A FINAL VOTE BY THE BOARD MEMBERS.
[E.-1. 26-1132 An Ordinance of the City Commission of Coral Gables, Florida providing for text amendments to the City of Coral Gables Official Zoning Code by amending Article 5, “Architecture,” Section 5-500, “Roofs,” to clarify roof design standards including the intent to incorporate a combination of pitched and flat roof forms and to establish that roof designs proposed as entirely flat require review and approval by the Full Board of Architects; to remove Sections 5-503 and 5-504 and renumber subsequent sections; to delete outdated parapet height provisions in flood hazard districts; and providing for a repealer provision, severability clause, codification, and providing for an effective date.]
COMPLETED, MR. COLLIER, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE FIRST ITEM INTO THE RECORD? YES.ITEM E ONE, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, COMMISSION OF CORAL GABLES, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES OFFICIAL ZONING CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE ARCHITECTURE SECTION FIVE DASH 500 ROOFS TO CLARIFY ROOF DESIGN STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE INTENT TO INCORPORATE A COMBINATION OF PITCHED AND FLAT ROOF FORMS, AND TO ESTABLISH THAT ROOF DESIGNS PROPOSED AS ENTIRELY FLAT REQUIRE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE FULL BOARD OF ARCHITECTS TO REMOVE SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 3 AND FIVE DASH 5 0 4 AND RENUMBER RENUMBER.
SUBSEQUENT SECTIONS TO DELETE OUTDATED PARA PIT HEIGHT PROVISIONS IN FLOOD HAZARD DISTRICTS AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF PROVISION SERVICEABILITY CLAUSE CODIFICATION PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE ITEM E ONE PUBLIC HEARING.
GOOD EVENING, UH, MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS CRAIG SOUTHERN PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS, UH, ITEM IS A FOLLOW-UP TO YOUR FEBRUARY 11TH DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE FIVE, SPECIFICALLY SECTION FIVE DASH 500 OF ROOF DESIGN STANDARDS.
AT THAT MEETING, THE BOARD RAISED, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT BALANCING TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER WITH THE NEED FOR MODERN DESIGN FLEXIBILITY, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO FLAT ROOFS, PARAPETS, AND UH, ROOFING MATERIALS.
SO SINCE THAT MEETING IN FEBRUARY, UH, STAFF WORKED CLOSELY WITH, UH, BOARD MEMBER PARDO AND ALSO THE CITY ARCHITECT RECO TO REFINE THE ORDINANCE IN RESPONSE TO THE FEEDBACK, UH, FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT AND AN UPDATED MEMO, UH, INDICATING BASICALLY THE THREE KEY UPDATES TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, AS WAS DISCUSSED BACK IN FEBRUARY.
THE FIRST IS SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 1 ROOFS.
UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ADDED A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR CONTEXTUAL ARCHITECTURAL ANALYSIS TO ACCOMPANY PROPOSALS FOR ROOFING MATERIALS ON SYSTEMS, OR, SORRY, ROOFING MATERIALS AND SYSTEMS. UH, THIS ANALYSIS MUST INCLUDE DRAWINGS, SPECIFICATIONS, SUPPORTING DOCUMENT, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, UM, AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY ARCHITECT AND OR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS, AND MUST CLEARLY IDENTIFY THE SURROUNDING BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UH, WHILE ALSO EVALUATING COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, INCLUDING THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, MASSING SCALE, AND MATERIALITY.
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UM, THE SECOND REVISION THAT WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER IS FROM SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 2 FLAT ROOFS.WE BASICALLY SIMPLIFIED THAT FLAT ROOF PROVISION BY PROVIDING SUBSECTIONS, UH, BY REMOVING THOSE SUBSECTIONS THAT ACTUALLY HAD, UH, AMBIGUOUS, UM, COMMENTS THAT WERE SO GENERAL, IT WAS VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON, UH, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE EXTENT OF, UH, THE VISIBILITY OF FLAT ROOF ELEMENTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN COMPONENT.
AND THIRD, WE'VE CLARIFIED THE LANGUAGE ON THE PITCHED ROOF MATERIALS TO EXPLICITLY, UH, PROHIBIT THE PAINTING OR POST INSTALLATION ALTERATION ALTERATION OF ROOF TILE COLORS.
THIS IS SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 3, SUBSECTION C UH, PITCHED ROOF MATERIALS.
SO THESE UPDATES ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE CLEAR GUIDANCE TO THE APPLICANTS AND REVIEWING BODIES WHILE MAINTAINING THE CITY STANDARDS FOR ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY AND CONSISTENCY, UH, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
SO ALL THE PRIOR FINDINGS, UH, FROM OUR PREVIOUS FEBRUARY STAFF REPORT, THEY'RE STILL CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REMAIN UNCHANGED.
AND, UH, STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
UM, JILL, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? NO.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO THE, UH, BOARD DISCUSSIONS.
FELIX, SINCE YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THE, UH, MEETING WITH WITH STAFF, YOU WANNA GO FIRST? WELL, WE, UH, WE MET WITH STAFF, MET WITH STAFF, UM, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT IT ALL HAD TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS MAINTAINING THAT, HAVING A, A MECHANISM, AN EVALUATION, UH, FOR, UH, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS AND THE CITY ARCHITECT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PLACEMENT OF ANY OF THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS WOULD BE IN KEEPING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ET CETERA.
I THINK THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE THERE.
IN FACT, I POINTED OUT TO STAFF THAT IN, IN THEIR, UM, UH, IN THE WAREHOUSES THAT CAME FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, IN THE WAREHOUSES, THEY HAD, UH, ACTUAL, UH, WORDING IN THERE THAT WAS NOW, THAT IS NOW ADDED INTO, UH, THE ACTUAL, UH, RESOLUTION.
SO BY DOING THAT, I THINK IT GIVES, UH, PROTECTION, UH, TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, IT ALSO GIVES, UM, UH, IT GIVES THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO WORK WITHIN A CERTAIN, UM, A CERTAIN CONSTRUCT, DESIGN CONSTRUCT, IF YOU WILL.
LET ME ASK YOU, AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THE FLAT ROOFS BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE COMPATIBLE TO YOUR, TO CONTEXTUALLY TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN CORAL GABLES, 99.9% OF THE ROOFS ALL SLOW ROOFS, A ACTUALLY, UM, UH, I, I DISAGREE BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, NEAR THE BAY, UH, VERY LARGE HOMES, BEAUTIFUL HOMES THAT ARE THERE.
UH, AND, AND OVER THE YEARS THEY HAD BEEN BUILT WITH A MUCH MORE MODERN, UH, STYLE, EVEN IN THE, SOME OF THE HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS, EVEN SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU WOULD SEE, YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED, UH, HOW MANY AREAS HAVE FLAT ROOFS.
SO THEREFORE, UH, AND YOU COULD DEAL WITH THE FLAT ROOF, NOT JUST THE ROOF ITSELF, BUT THE MASSING OF THE PUSHING AND PULLING.
WE WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL, UH, WITH THE CITY ARCHITECTS, CITY PLANNER STAFF, AND, UM, THEY, THEY FELT COMFORTABLE THAT IT GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT 99% OF THE AREAS ARE GOING TO BE, I, I, I THINK THAT IT HAS TO DO MORE WITH, UH, THE PARTICULAR APPLICATION OF WHERE THE SITE IS, WHERE IT'S CITED EVEN ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UH, WE, WE KNOW THAT IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREETS AND IT'S CONCEALED, YOU COULD HAVE FLAT ROOFS, YOU KNOW, IN AS AN ADDITION, SOMETHING IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
YOU WERE LIMITED TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.
YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT THIS, TO ME, I GUESS THIS IS TRYING TO, TO, TO GO AWAY FROM SOME OF THE NEW HOUSES THAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT ARE MORE CONTEMPORARY MODERN HOUSES.
THAT, THAT HAVE NO, NO PITCH ROOFS.
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WITH YOU THERE, BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S LIKE MUSIC, YOU KNOW, GOOD MUSIC IS GOOD MUSIC.AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT HAVE GONE UP, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE SMALLER LOTS, UM, ARE, UM, VERY BULKY AND, AND THEY JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY FIT IN THE CITY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DEPENDING ON YOUR DETAILING, ET CETERA, SOME OF THESE AREAS ARE, ARE, UM, CAN SUPPORT, I GUESS YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD MUSIC, YOU'RE RIGHT.
MAY BE GOOD FOR YOU, MAY NOT BE GOOD FOR OTHERS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OF ALL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN.
THE POINT IS THAT GIVING, GIVING SOMEONE THE, THE FLEXIBILITY IS GREAT, BUT GIVING THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE RESPECT YEAH, I, I, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
SO FOR ME, IF YOU HAVE, AND I THINK I MENTIONED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS, IF YOU HAVE, UH, LET'S SAY 20 HOMES BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OF THE STREET, AND YOU HAVE 20 HOMES, AND ONE PERSON GOES IN THERE AND SAYS, I'M GONNA KNOCK THIS HOME AND I'M GONNA PUT THIS IN THERE.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OUT OF KEEPING WITH THE SCALE, ET CETERA, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT CAN BE USED AND PICKED UP.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CITY ARCHITECT.
SO I, I FEEL THAT THE SAFETY FACTORS, THE SAFETY NETS ARE THERE.
UH, GONZALO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I, I JUST, I JUST WANT SOME, UM, SOME CLARITY.
UM, I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.
UH, SOME THINGS DON'T QUITE COME THROUGH TO MY MIND.
BUT, UH, ON SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 1, ON THE DEFINITION OF FLAT ROOF, I SEE ON THE FOURTH LINE THAT COPPER METAL IS A METAL THAT COULD BE QUALIFIED ON THE FLAT ROOF.
IT COULD BE APPLIED TO A FLAT ROOF.
AM I CORRECT? I'M READING THIS OR NOT.
UM, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED FOR IN THIS SECTION, ALL ROOFS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES, OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS AND USES IN SPECIAL USE DISTRICTS SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OF TILE SLATE OR COPPER IN ITS NATURAL STATE AND ALLOWED TO OXIDIZE AND PATINA OR OTHER HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE CITY ARCHITECT.
AND WHERE APPLICABLE, UH, THE FULL BOARD OF ARCHITECTS IS DETERMINED APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE BUILDING, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT, AND SOUND, STRUCTURAL PRINCIPLES.
SO YEAH, THAT CAR COPPER COMPONENT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CODE.
SO YOU AGREE THAT MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT COPPER CAN BE USED IN FLAT ROOF.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT OR AM I MISREADING THIS? IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS TO, IT'S, IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF OR NOT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU, IN ORDER TO DO A COPY, YOU HAVE TO BE ON A SLOPE.
SO IT, YOU ARE FORCED TO GO TO A SLOPE ROOF TO DO THAT.
BUT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S INCORPORATED IN THIS IS MISLEADING IN THE SENSE THAT IT DOES SHOW IT AS IF IT'S OKAY UNDER THE FLAT ROOF.
FURTHERMORE, MR. SOUTHERN, THIS IS FOR ALL ROOFS.
SO THIS IS THE GENERAL SECTION.
THIS IS THE GENERAL COMPONENT.
WELL, IF YOU READ THAT PARAGRAPH, UH, LIKE I DID A FEW TIMES, I THINK IT WAS MISLEADING.
I, IN THE LANGUAGE COULD USE A LITTLE FINE TUNING.
BUT MOVING ON, ON THE ISSUE OF STANDING, SEEING METAL ON THE SLOPE, ROOF STANDING SEA METAL, I'M SURE THE ARCHITECTS HERE ON THE BOARD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T.
I LIKE AN EXPLANATION DEFINITION OF WHAT A STANDING SEA METAL IS STANDING SEAM IS.
IF YOU, IF YOU'VE SEEN A, A, A METAL ROOF, INTER INTERLOCKING, INTERLOCKING, THERE'S ALWAYS LITTLE RIDGES IN THE ROOF.
THOSE ARE THE CONJOINING YEAH.
SO WHAT MATERIAL CAN THAT BE? METAL ROOFS IS VERY VAGUE BECAUSE YOU COULD DO, IT
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DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COPPER, IT COULD BE METAL, RIGHT.ALUMINUM, IT COULD BE STAINLESS STEEL.
IT COULD BE A BROAD, IT'S A BROAD DEFINITION.
AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S IF I MAY, UH, CHAIR PLEASE.
UH, THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THE USE OF METAL ROOFS DOESN'T APPLY EVERYWHERE.
IT'S PART, IT'S PART OF THE PALLET THAT YOU USE IN YOUR DESIGN ABILITY AS AN ARCHITECT.
SO SOME CHARACTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, OF, OF ARCHITECTURE, UH, IF YOU'RE IN THE KEYS, UH, YOU WOULD USE THAT AND IT'S VERY PALATABLE AND IT HAS A HISTORY TO IT, AND IT'S USED WIDELY.
BUT THE SLOPES OF THOSE ROOFS ARE NORMALLY MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
NOT ONLY ONE SLOPE, BUT SOMETIMES MULTIPLE SLOPES ARE USED IN THE SAME PLANE.
SO IT'S USED TO EMBELLISH MM-HMM.
AND, AND REINFORCE THE CHARACTER OF THE TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE.
IF YOU WOULD TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NORTH, UH, BLESS THE NORTH GABLES AREA, UH, IN THE NORTH GABLES AREA, THE ARCHITECTURE, THE THE PROPERTIES ARE, ARE RELATIVELY SMALL.
IF YOU START PUTTING IN METAL ROOFS THERE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH VERY SLIGHT, VERY SLIGHT SLOPES, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A TRAILER PARK.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE USE THAT WE WANT TO, TO USE THAT METAL ROOF, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS.
UH, AND, AND THOSE EXCEPTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO DESIGN THAT.
MY, MY ONLY CONFUSION HERE, AND IT'S RELATING TO COPPER ROOF, WHERE IT SHOULD BE DEFINED AS ONLY APPLICABLE, WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT'S, UH, A PLUS OR A MINUS.
AND THAT'S FOR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL SIDE.
IT'S NOT FOR US AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S CONFUSING IN THE SENSE THAT COPPER ROOFS, AS IT'S WRITTEN FROM THIS PARAGRAPH, IT'S ALSO OKAY WITH FLAT ROOFS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE TECHNICALITY OF IT.
WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY LEFT IT IN THERE, UH, FROM A GENERAL NOTE, BECAUSE IT, IT HISTORICALLY THE MATERIAL WAS, WAS PLACED THERE, SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T TRY TO PULL IT OUT TO CREATE CONFUSION WHERE IT COULDN'T BE THERE.
NOT NO, NOTHING ELSE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'LL KEEP IT, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU MR. PARDO, FOR THE WORK WITH CITY STAFF, GIVEN THE SAFEGUARDS YOU EXPLAINED.
SO, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S BRIEF.
MATTHEW, I WAS HOPING I WAS LAST SO I COULD LISTEN TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, I, I THINK THE STAFF DID A GOOD JOB OF OPENING THE DOOR FOR THE USE OF MODERN MATERIALS AND PROVIDING AN ADEQUATE REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE COMPATIBLE.
THANK YOU, FELIX, FOR WORKING WITH STAFF.
ONE THING DID JUMP OUT AT ME, UM, IN SECTION 5 0 5 0 3, SUBSECTION G ROOF ON ACCESSORY BUILDING SHALL CONFORM TO THE ROOF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING PROVIDED.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SCRATCHED THROUGH BOMB SHELTER SHELTERS AND FALLOUT SHELTERS.
THAT, THAT WAS UPON THE REQUEST OF THE, THE CITY ARCHITECT, THE, UH, BOMB SHELTERS AND FALLOUT SHELTERS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT BOMB SHELTERS CAN'T HAVE ROOFS ANYMORE? WELL, WHAT HE'S, WHAT JUST ROOFS ON ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHALL CONFORM TO THE ROOF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING PROVIDED, JUST KEEP IT SIMPLIFIED, UH, IN THE SENSE THAT ALL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHALL HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY WITH THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
UM, SHOULD YOU STRIKE THROUGH THE WORD PROVIDED AS WELL? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK THERE WAS BEEN
UM, I, I UNDERSTAND IN SOME AREAS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BENEFICIAL, BUT I THINK THIS IS CITYWIDE, EXCEPT YOU, YOU GAVE US SOME LOTS.
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BLOCK, 88, 89, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONLY LOT THAT DO NOT GET AFFECTED FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.I, UH, I THINK EVERY, EVERY CASE IS, IS DIFFERENT.
AND YES, 19 54, 19 50 TO 1960, WE HAD A LOT OF RANCH STYLE HOMES BUILDING CORAL GABLES, UH, THAT ALL HAD PITCH ROOFS.
AND IF YOU REALLY GO BACK, THOSE HOUSES WERE INTENDED TO HAVE FLAT CEMENT TILES ON IT.
AND THERE WAS A FAT DURING THE EIGHTIES WHERE THOSE ROOF WERE BEING CHANGED TO BARE TILES TO MAKE THOSE HOUSES LOOK MORE SPANISH, MEDITERRANEAN, WHICH REALLY DID NOT QUALIFY FOR THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, 1950S WERE GOOD AT THE TIME.
I THINK THAT 70 YEARS LATER, I THINK WE SHOULD NOT BE SO RESTRICTIVE.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT, UM, AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE BOARD DISCUSSION, AND I'M GONNA OPEN UP FOR A MOTION, MR. CHAIR.
I, I WANTED TO JUST ADD ONE THING.
UM, STAFF SAID, UM, AND, OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY ARCHITECT AND OR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS.
THAT IS CORRECT, BUT IT'S NOT WRITTEN LIKE THAT HERE.
IT SAYS, OR, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT, MAKE SURE THAT CHANGE GETS MADE WHEN IT'S VOTED.
IT SHOULD BE AT, IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULD BE, AND OR, YEAH.
I, I THINK WE'RE ALSO REFERENCING THE FEBRUARY STAFF REPORT.
BUT THAT'S ALSO NOTED AS WELL.
OPEN IT FOR BO FOR ANY MOTION.
I-I-I-I-I FEEL ALMOST LIKE IT'S SELF INFLAMMATORY.
CAN I, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
THE, THE, UH, FORM OF THE USE OF AN OR IS DISFAVORED.
IT CAN BE ONE OR THE OTHER, OR BOTH.
SO I, COULD I GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE LOOKING AT SO I CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE SUGGESTING THE AND SLASH OR IT GOES, BECAUSE WHENEVER WE COME ACROSS IT, IT'S BEEN CRITICIZED BY THE THIRD DISTRICT.
COURT OF APPEAL IS NOT REALLY A WORD AND SLASH OR IS NOT A WORD.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE USUALLY, WE SAY ONE OR THE OTHER AS THE CONTEXT WILL SAY, OR IF YOU, OR IF YOU WANT BOTH TO BE INVOLVED AND YOU GO ONE A OR B, OR BOTH A AND B WHEN APPLICABLE OR WHERE APPLICABLE.
YES, YOU COULD SAY IT THAT WAY.
UM, CRAIG, THE, THE REASON THE, AND OR IN THIS CASE IS BECAUSE THE CITY ARCHITECT IS ONE ENTITY AND THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS IS THE SECOND ENTITY.
SO, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, UH, THAT'S WHY THE, AND OR BECAUSE NORMALLY, NORMALLY, UM, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS MAKES A DECISION, BUT OVER THE PREVIOUS YEARS, THE CITY ARCHITECT ON ESPECIALLY SMALLER PROJECTS, CAN MAKE A DECISION, UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURE.
WELL THEN, OR WOULD BE THE PERFECT CONSTRUCT BECAUSE IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN A SMALL SCALE WHERE THE, WHERE THE ARCHITECT, UH, MAKES HIS OWN DECISION, THEN THAT'S IT.
IF IT'S A SITUATION THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY IT, THEN IT'S, OR THE, OR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS.
SO THE, THE WORD OR WOULD BE THE RIGHT TERM TO USE.
FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, APPROVAL BY THE CITY ARCHITECT AND WHEN APPLICABLE, THE FULL BOARD OF ARCHITECTS, THAT WORKS TOO.
WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT, CORRECT? WE, SO, SO WE'RE GOING ON IT AS AMENDED.
HUH? MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED BY MR. MENENDEZ.
THE MOTION WAS MADE BY RET SECOND ALEX BRAVO.
AND PLEASE CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE THAT WE DISCUSSED.
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IGNACIO ALVAREZ.[E.-2. 26-1389 An Ordinance of the City Commission of Coral Gables, Florida, providing for text amendment to the City of Coral Gables Official Zoning Code by amending Article 16 “Definitions” to create a definition for Financial Institutions; amending Article 3, “Uses,” including Sections 3-100 “Uses,” 3-200 “Principal Uses,” 3-300 “Accessory Uses,” and Article 10, “Parking and Access,” Section 10-110 “Amount of Required Parking” to establish location, design and parking standards for financial institutions within certain overlay districts; providing for repealer provision, severability clause, codification, and providing for an effective date.]
NEXT ITEM, ITEM E TWO AND ORDINANCE TO THE CITY COMMISSIONER OF CARL GABLES, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF CARL GABLE'S OFFICIAL ZONING CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS TO CREATE A DEFINITION FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AMENDING ARTICLE THREE USES, INCLUDING SECTION THREE DASH 100 USES AND ACCESS, I'M SORRY, SECTION THREE DASH 100 USES THREE DASH 200 PRINCIPLE USES THREE DASH 300 ACCESSORY USES, AND ARTICLE 10, PARKING AND ACCESS SECTION 10 DASH ONE, AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKING TO ESTABLISH LOCATION DESIGN AND PARKING STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WITHIN CERTAIN OVERLAY DISTRICTS, PROVIDING REPEAL OR PROVISION SEVERABILITY CLAUSE CODIFICATION, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE ITEM E TWO PUBLIC HEARING.AGAIN, CRAIG SOUTHERN, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION.
SO THIS ITEM, UM, AS WAS READ BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS I INITIATING ITS, WELL, IT'S ORIGINALLY INITIATED BY, UH, CITY STAFF, UH, CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE, AND CITY STAFF.
UH, ZONING CODE TEXT AMENDMENT IS FOCUSED ON FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.
SO THE REQUEST HAS THREE PRIMARY COMPONENTS.
UH, WHEN YOU REFERENCE THE, THE STAFF REPORT INITIALLY, IT'S, UH, CREATING A CLEAR DEFINITION FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, DISTINGUISHING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS FROM RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES.
SECONDLY, IT ESTABLISHES A VERY SPECIFIC LOCATION AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE USES WITHIN THE CITY'S PRIMARY, UH, GROUND FLOOR, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UH, UH, AREAS WITHIN, OVER THE SPECIFIED OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
AND THIRD, IT INTRODUCES, UH, TARGETED INCENTIVES SUCH AS PARKING REDUCTIONS AND SIGNAGE FLEXIBILITY, UH, WHEN ACTIVE STREET FRONT USES ARE INCORPORATED.
SO THIS AMENDMENT IS REALLY JUST ABOUT, UM, THE ALIGNMENT OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITHIN THE CITY HERE.
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE CITY HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INVESTMENTS IN STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE PUBLIC REALM, UH, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND, UH, THE LISTED MIXED USE CORRIDORS.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE OBSERVED THE TRADITIONAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, WHILE THEY'RE IMPORTANT, UH, ECONOMIC USES, THEY TEND TO LOWER LEVELS OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY SPECIFICALLY AFTER CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME.
UM, AND OUTSIDE OF THE STANDARD BUSINESS HOURS, WHEN THESE USES OCCUPY PROMINENT GROUND FLOOR CORNER LOCATIONS, THEY CAN UNINTENTIONALLY CREATE GAPS IN STREET LEVEL ACTIVITY AND WHAT WE OFTEN REFER TO AS INACTIVE FRONTAGES.
SO THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THAT CONDITION IN A TARGETED AND BALANCED WAY.
SO STAFF CONDUCTED A, A DATA ANALYSIS TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ARE, UH, APPROPRIATELY CALIBRATED TO A DEGREE.
UM, WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT ALL THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY AS OF APRIL, 2026.
SO THE ANALYSIS, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK INSIDE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, IDENTIFIED 74 TOTAL FINANCIAL SERVICE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, CITYWIDE, THAT'S 51 BANKS, AND THEN 23 OTHER FINANCIAL SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO 46 OF THE 74 ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S, UH, SPECIFIED OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT ARE INTENDED WITHIN, UH, THE ACTIVATION STANDARDS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, THIS IS BASICALLY JUST WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY IS A PRIMARY OBJECTIVE FOR THE CITY.
31 OF THE 74, UH, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OCCUPY GROUND FLOOR LOCATIONS, AND THEN ONLY NINE ARE LOCATED ON PRO PROMINENT CORNER FRONTAGES, PRIMARILY WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE THE GREATEST INFLUENCE ON PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
SO STAFF IS SHOWN THAT THE DATA IS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A WIDESPREAD CONDITION, BUT
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TO A DEGREE IT'S OCCURRING IN THE CITY'S MOST VISIBLE AND PEDESTRIAN SENSITIVE AREAS.THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ARE DESIGNED TO RESPOND SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE CONDITIONS, WHILE RECOGNIZING THAT ALL LEGALLY ESTABLISHED FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WILL BE ABLE TO REMAIN CONFORMING AND ARE NOT IMPACTED UNLESS THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT, A CHANGE OF USE, OR A SUBSTANTIAL FACADE, UH, MODIFICATION.
SO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES AND WHAT IT DOES NOT DO, UH, THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT AFFECT EXISTING LEGALLY ESTABLISHED BANKS OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OR SERVICE USES, AND IT DOES NOT REDUCE OR RESTRICT UNDERLINING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, DENSITY OR INTENSITY.
WHAT IT DOES IS BASIC PERFORMANCE ORIENTED STANDARDS FOR HOW THESE USES INTERACT WITHIN THE PUBLIC REALM, SPECIFICALLY WHEN THEY'RE LOCATED ON HIGH VISIBILITY, GROUND FLOOR, CORNER FRONTAGES.
UH, THESE STANDARDS ARE TRIGGERED ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
ONCE AGAIN, NEW DEVELOPMENT, CHANGE OF USE, OR SUBSTANTIAL FACADE, UH, MODIFICATIONS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT RETROACTIVE.
UM, BASICALLY THE KEY APPROACH IS ON CORNER LOTS, UM, OF PRIMARY PEDESTRIAN FRONTAGES.
FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE REQUIRED TO INCORPORATE AN ACTIVE STREET FRONT USE, SUCH AS A CAFE, A RETAIL COMPONENT, OR A SIMILAR PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE USE THAT CREATES ACTIVATION.
THESE USES MUST BE DIRECTLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE SIDEWALK, VISUALLY TRANSPARENT AND DESIGNED TO ENGAGE PEDESTRIANS.
THE STANDARDS ARE FLEXIBLE IN HOW THEY CAN BE MET, EITHER THROUGH A PERCENTAGE OF FLOOR AREA OR DEFINED DEPTH ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
ADDITIONALLY, FLEXIBILITY IS BUILT IN THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.
OFFICIAL INCENTIVES ARE ALSO PROVIDED, WHICH INCLUDE PARKING EXEMPTIONS AND ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES.
SO FOR NON CORNER SITES, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE EVEN MORE MODEST.
THEY'RE FOCUSED PRIMARILY JUST ON THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE ACCESS AND LIMITING INACTIVE FRONTAGES.
SO THE STAFF HAS CONDUCTED A REVIEW OF COMPAR COMPARABLE, UH, FLORIDA MUNICIPALITIES, INCLUDING DELRAY BEACH, OAKLAND PARK, ORLANDO, JACKSONVILLE, TAMPA, MIAMI BEACH.
MANY OF THESE JURISDICTIONS IMPOSE STRICTER REGULATIONS THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE, UH, RANGING FROM OUTRIGHT PROHIBITIONS ON PRIMARY FRONTAGES, OR EVEN IN DOWNTOWN, WHERE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AS A STANDALONE PRINCIPLE USE MAY NOT EVEN BE PERMITTED UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF ACCESSORY OR ACTIVE USE.
SO THIS IS WHAT'S AN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES NOT WHAT WE'RE, UH, REQUIRING.
UM, BUT IN THAT CONTEXT, UH, CORAL GABLES IS MEASURED AND WE WANT TO BE CONTEXTUAL IN, IN OUR SENSITIVITY ABOUT ALLOWING, UH, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO OPERATE WHILE ENSURING THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.
SO FOR A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS REALLY SPECIFICALLY GROUNDED IN THE SPECIFIC OVERLAY DISTRICTS IS LISTED, UM, WHICH I CAN READ AND GET INTO, UH, LATER.
BUT IT'S PRIMARILY, UM, THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, UH, EXISTING FRONTAGE AND TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS, AND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES RELATED TO WALKABILITY, ECONOMIC VIABILITY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO THE STANDARDS, THEY'RE NOT ARBITRARY.
THEY'RE TIED DIRECTLY TO OUR URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS AND PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE ALREADY, AND PARTICULARLY IN AREAS WHERE THE CITY IS PRIORITIZED, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, INITIALLY THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, MAYBE A PRESCRIPTIVE NATURE.
YET STAFF WOULD CHARACTERIZE THESE STANDARDS AS PERFORMANCE BASED AND PROPORTIONAL TO THE LOCATION, UH, WITHIN FRONTAGES CORNERS, AND WITH ONLY, NOT, NOT CITYWIDE, BUT ONLY WITHIN THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
SO THEY ARE APPLIED ONLY WITHIN THE TARGETED SPECIFIC OVERLAY DISTRICTS ON HIGH VISIBILITY, FRONTAGES PRIMARILY INVOLVING NEW DEVELOPMENT, CHANGE OF USE, SUBSTANTIAL FACADE, UH, MODIFICATIONS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
THERE IS ALSO BUILT-IN ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW OFFICIAL TO ADDRESS SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
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THE FRAMEWORK IS STRUCTURED TO BE ADAPTABLE.UM, SO IN, IN CLOSING, THE, THE TEXT AMENDMENT DOES ENSURE THAT GROUND FLOOR USES, REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE, CONTRIBUTE TO THE VIABILITY OF THE PUBLIC REALM WITHIN THE CITY'S PRIMARY PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS, IT REGULATES THE INTERFACE BETWEEN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PUBLIC REALM, CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S LONG ESTABLISHED AUTHORITY TO SHAPE HOW GROUND FLOOR USES ENGAGE WITH THE STREET, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WHERE WALKABILITY, ECONOMIC VI VITALITY ARE THE KEY OBJECTIVES.
SO THE TEXT AMENDMENT BALANCES ECONOMIC FUNCTIONALITY WITH URBAN DESIGN EXPECTATIONS, PROTECTS EXISTING BUSINESSES, AND REFLECTS BOTH LOCAL CONDITIONS AND ESTABLISHED BEST PRACTICES ACROSS COMPARABLE, UH, MUNICIPALITIES.
SO BASED ON THE FINDINGS, STAFF HAS, UH, PROPOSED THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE THANK YOU.
I GOT A, I WANT A CLARIFICATION.
AND MR. COLER, YOU COULD, YOU COULD HELP ON THIS.
YOU STATED THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S PERMITTED BY CODE IN SOME MUNICIPALITY, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT ON STOREFRONTS, RIGHT? DEPENDING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALLOWED BY CODE, I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD IMPOSE YOU THE CODE MAY ALLOW IT, AND THEN YOU COULD SAY, NO, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT.
SO THERE ARE EXISTING MUNICIPALITIES IN FLORIDA THAT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, IN THE DOWNTOWN OF OAKLAND PARK AS A PRIMARY USE, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE NOT PERMITTED UNLESS THEY'RE AN ACCESSORY TO A DIFFERENT ACTIVE PRIMARY USE.
SAME THING IN DELRAY BEACH AND THEIR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO, SO BY YOU CREATING A HARDSHIP TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION TO TRY TO BRING, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE I USED TO BE INVOLVED WITH A BANK, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH PONDS CORRIDOR, ON THE, THE OLD APOLLO BANK, IT WAS HARD ENOUGH TO RUN A BANK TO NOW TO TRY TO PUT AN ACCESSORY, A CA, A CAFA, SOMETHING IN, IN, IN, IN, IN THAT BUSINESS.
IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE CREATING, YOU KNOW, CITY ATTORNEY HARDSHIP TO SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES.
YOU WISH ME RECOGNIZE HER? YOU HAVE ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER THAT WISH GO AHEAD.
SO I WOULD YIELD TO HER GOODBYE.
HI, I, I THINK THIS ITEM IS VERY TIMELY.
ABOUT A WEEK AGO, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE MIAMI HERALD, AND IT WAS COMMENTING ON THE STATE OF AFFAIRS ON A MIRACLE MILE AND WHY THERE WERE SOME VACANCIES.
AND, AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A COMMENT THAT, THAT THESE BANKS CREATE THESE BLANK SPOTS THAT, THAT HAVE AFFECT THE, THE CORRIDOR OVERALL.
SO I, I, I THINK YOU KNOW THIS, THIS IS A GREAT PROPOSAL AND WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF BANKS OPENING UP, SO IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP.
UM, BUT, BUT THIS IS GONNA HELP MAYBE ELEVATE RETAIL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THIS IS CHAIRMAN, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T, THIS, I, I JUST WANTED TO A CLARIFICATION.
LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH, I DO WANNA RESPOND THOUGH TO YOUR QUESTION IN THAT, UM, THIS ITEM DOES GRANDFATHER IN ALL EXISTING BANKS, SO EXISTING BANKS WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO, UH, PROVIDE AN, A CAFE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE AN ACTIVE USE FOR MORE THAN JUST BANKING HOURS.
I, I GUESS THIS IS INTENDED TO GO AFTER HOURS TO MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE A MIRACLE MILE, YOU OPEN, YOU KNOW, TO NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, YOU HAVE ACTIVATION AND THE BANK WAS NOT GONNA STAY OPEN TO THOSE HOURS, I GUESS SO.
WELL, I, I'VE SEEN BANKS THAT ACTUALLY DO HAVE NOT, I JUST KNOW THERE WAS ONE ON, ON MIAMI BEACH, WHICH HA, I BELIEVE IS A, A CAPITAL ONE, I THINK CAFE, AND I DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE SOME EXTENDED BANKING HOURS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULLY WHAT THE CAFE IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULLY WHAT THE CAFE IS, BUT I DO KNOW THEY DO HAVE, UH, BUT THIS IS A POLICY ISSUE THAT'S, THAT THE STAFF IS PRESENTING TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, AND WEIGHING THE VARIOUS COMPETING INTERESTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE HERE
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TO MAKE A DECISION ON BEFORE I OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.BEFORE I OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY OTHER QUESTION? CLARIFICATION? YES.
YOU WANNA HAVE FROM STAT GO AHEAD.
YES, MR. SOUTHERN, ON YOUR STATS THAT YOU HAVE.
WE HAVE 29, 26, AND EIGHT ON THE ONES THAT ARE 29 SITES, AND THEY'RE LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH I, I AM GUESSING IS THE CBD DISTRICT IN A WAY, CORRECT? NO, IT'S, IT'S ALL THREE DISTRICTS.
IT'S THE NORTH POTTS MIXED USE DISTRICT, UH, CENTRAL, UH, BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND THEN OUR, UH, DESIGN DISTRICT.
THAT THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT THE ACTIVATION STANDARDS ARE RELATED TO ONLY NO OTHER PORTION OF THE CITY.
NOW, PLEASE TELL ME HOW MANY ARE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AT THIS TIME? OKAY, SO AS, AS WE HAVE IT IN THE ANALYSIS OF THE 51 ACTIVE BANKS CITYWIDE, WE ONLY HAVE, UH, SEVEN THAT ARE ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SEVEN.
FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, STATE MANAGERS MADE, HOW MANY OF THOSE BANKS ARE CORNER SITES? I NO, YOU SAID OVERSIGHT CORNER CORNER SITES.
THE GROUND FLOOR CORNERS ARE THE SEVEN.
NOW YOU, SAME HERE IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR EXPLANATION THAT 75 FEET FRONTAGE ON THE STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE RETAIL STREET? SO IN OTHER WORDS, A BANK WANTS TO LOCATE SOMEWHERE IN A ONE OF THESE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
IT WOULD HAVE, THEY CANNOT AND PLACE ONE WIDER THAN 75 FEET STREET FRONTAGE.
AM I CORRECT? SO THAT, THAT'S 75 FEET IS NOT WITHIN OUR CODE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT'S IN DEL REY RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S NOT BEING DISCUSSED AT THIS TIME? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT IS EXISTING IN DELRAY RIGHT NOW IN THEIR CBD SECTION.
SO IT JUST SAYS, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS BROKERAGE FIRMS AND PRIVATE WEALTH MANAGEMENT FIRMS, THEY'RE PROHIBITED, BUT BANKS AND SAVINGS AND LOANS ARE RESTRICTED IN TERMS OF FRONTAGE WITH NO MORE THAN 75 FEET ALONG RETAIL STREETS TO PREVENT INACTIVE ZONES.
SO ACTIVE STREET LEVEL USES ARE MAINTAINED TO OR MANDATED TO MAINTAIN PEDESTRIAN ENGAGEMENT AND TO SUPPORT CONTINUITY ON THE GROUND FLOOR RETAILER.
I HEAR YOU, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AT, IN PLACING AT 75 FEET AS MAXIMUM? NO, SIR.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY.
SO LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THAT IS NOT, IT'S NOT PART OF THE UNDERLINED, LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT PORTION OF THE CODE.
OUT OF THESE, UH, IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.
OUT OF THESE UNITS THAT, UM, THAT ARE BANKS AND ARE OPERATING CURRENTLY, ALL THESE ONES THAT YOU HAVE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ARE, ARE OWNED BY SIMPLE DEED? HOW MANY UNDERGROUND LEASE OR HOW MANY ARE TENANTS? DO YOU KNOW? DO YOU HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN? I, I'M SURE WE COULD FIND IT, BUT AT THIS YOU DON'T MOMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M IN VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT I THINK WE NEED SOME FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, AND THE DETAILED PART OF IT NEEDS TO BE, I I WOULD VOTE FOR THE FURTHEST.
LET ME GET, LET ME GET, LET ME CLOSE ANY CLARIFICATION, IF NOT AM GET YOU NEED A CLARIFICATION.
I DO NEED A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE'RE, ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE I'M VERY CONFUSED WITH IS THE, UH, UH, THE DRIVE-THROUGHS, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS, CERTAIN CORRIDORS THAT DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE PROHIBITED, SUCH AS NCE AND MIRACLE MILE.
THERE'S NO MENTION OF KEEPING THAT PRESERVATION THERE.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICTS, OBVIOUSLY, WITH PEDESTRIANS.
SO I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE SURE, I WOULD WANT STAFF TO MAKE SURE, AND, AND LOOKING AT THIS CAREFULLY, THAT THOSE AREAS ARE STILL PRESERVED THAT WAY.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT DRIVE THROUGHS CANNOT COME OUT, UH, OR GO THROUGH THAT AREA WHERE YOU WILL HAVE A DIRECT CONFLICT.
BUT I DON'T THINK, AND, AND YOU COULD CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE AFFECTED HERE, BECAUSE ON ME MILE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING BACK AND SAYING, WE ARE REINFORCING THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE IT.
YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IT'S PROHIBITED ON THOSE PARTICULAR STREETS.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER STREETS, IT SHOULD BE PROHIBITED SINCE MANY OF THESE AREAS ALREADY DESIGNED AND BUILT, AND THE ONLY THING YOU'RE DOING NOW IS TAKING THAT USE AND PLACING IT ON THE GROUND LEVEL, AND YOU'RE FACILITATING DRIVE THROUGHS FOR IT.WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, PUT AN EYEBALL ON THAT.
SO IF, IF STAFF CAN HELP CLARIFY, HOPEFULLY, UM, IF YOU TURN, FORGIVE ME, TURN TO PAGE EIGHT OF THE STAFF REPORT, UM, UNDER SECTION THREE DASH 300 ACCESSORY USES.
UH, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, SECTION THREE DASH THREE 12 DRIVE-THROUGHS, RIGHT? UM, ALL DRIVE-THROUGHS MUST BE REVIEWED AS A CONDITIONAL USE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT ARE WITHIN THAT SECTION.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING INTO THAT COMPONENT WHATSOEVER.
WE'RE LETTING IT BE JUST AS IT IS.
ANY DRIVE THROUGH THAT IS, UH, REQUESTED WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.
BUT NO MATTER WHERE IT'S AT WITHIN THE CITY, MR. CHAIR, YOU SEE THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE PROHIBITION THAT EXISTS NOW ON THOSE TWO CORRIDORS.
ONE IS PROHIBITED, THE OTHER ONE IS SAYING YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN, THIS IS THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS TODAY, ISN'T IT? YES.
I KNOW OF ONE CASE ON PONDS WHERE A DRIVE THROUGH EXITING ONLY WAS PLACED THERE, IT WENT THROUGH A FULL BLOWN PUBLIC HEARING ALL THE WAY TO THE COMMISSION.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT STAFF, YOU KNOW, OR SOMEONE WAVING A MAGIC WAND.
BUT I, I THINK THIS IS INTENDED TO, IS NOT, NOT, NOT TOUCHING THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.
THIS IS MAINLY FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED YEAH.
ACTIVITY IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
THIS IS TO, TO INCENTIVIZE OR TO MANDATE THAT, THAT A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION INCORPORATE A, A, A DIFFERENT USE TO KEEP THE ACTIVATION ALL THE WAY THROUGH NIGHTTIME, LET'S SAY.
OR EVEN THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, YOU KNOW, WE, YEAH.
TO HELP WITH THE ACTIVATION, JUST PEDESTRIAN CLEAR, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS MR. PARDO'S CONCERN.
WE'RE NOT DOING TOUCHING ANY, THIS DOES NOT TOUCH ANYTHING, SIR PERTAINING TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT IS STILL PROHIBITED ON MIRACLE MILE, ON, ON SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW? YEP.
FRIENDLY STREETS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DRIVE-THROUGHS AT ALL IN THIS.
IT'S JUST THE ACTIVATION STANDARDS WITHIN THOSE OVERLAID.
NOW GRANTED, THE INITIAL COMPONENT IS WE'RE REVISING THE RETAIL SERVICES DEFINITION WITHIN THE CODE.
WE'RE TAKING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OUT, AND WE'RE GIVING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ITS OWN DEFINITION NOW.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, LET'S SAY MIRACLE MILE PONDS, IF YOU'RE ON A CORNER, YOU WANNA OPEN UP A BANK, NOW YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT LIKE A CAPITAL ONE TYPE OF CAFE STYLE BANK TO PROMOTE PEOPLE WALK IN THAT AREA.
WELL, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CAFE.
BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTIVATE AND, UH, LET'S, IF, IF YOU WANT, WE CAN GO TO WHAT THE, THE STANDARDS ARE, OR WHAT WE'RE TATTOO PARLOR PROPOSING TATTOO PARLOR.
BUT MY QUESTION THEN IS, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S A NONBANK? WHAT HAPPENS IF I WANNA OPEN UP A LAW PRACTICE ON THAT CORNER AND MY HOURS IN NINE TO FIVE? AM I REQUIRED TO DO THE SAME THING ON THAT SAME LOCATION? THIS IS JUST FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AT THE MOMENT.
YEAH, BUT, BUT IF, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
BUT LET, LET, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
LET ME PLEASE CLARIFY OFFICES, I WOULD SAY YOU, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DEPENDING ON FOOT TRAFFIC AS A LAW FIRM.
BUT HERE IS, IT'S STILL NOT ACCURATE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE FOOT TRAFFIC ON MIRACLE MILE, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO 90% OF THE USES ON MIRACLE MILE, UH, THEY NEED TO BE OF A RETAIL, I'M GONNA SAY FUNDS BLOCK AWAY.
THERE'S, THERE'S LOCATIONS HERE.
THEY ARE NOT BANKS ON THE CORNERS.
DO THEY HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING? THIS IS, THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW PROPOSALS.
SO IF, IF IT'S A NEW PROPOSAL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO OPEN UP A, UH, TATTOO PARLOR ON NORTH PONTS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, NO.
BUT IN THE, ON MIRACLE MILE, 90% OF THE USES HAVE TO BE OF A RETAIL NATURE.
NORTH PONT, TO HIS POINT, IF HE WANTS TO OPEN A LAW OFFICE ON MIRACLE MILE, OH, ON T IT SAY A BLOCK AWAY.
LET'S TAKE INSIDE OF THE NORTH PUNTS MIXED USE DISTRICT IS WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I'M JUST DO IT OUTSIDE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IN THE OTHER, BUT IF I WANNA OPEN UP ANY OTHER BUS, IF IT'S A BANK, YOU HAVE TO OPEN UP SOMETHING.
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A NON-BANK, IT DOESN'T MATTER.IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE, WELL, THAT'S INCORRECT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING IS THE GROUND FLOOR USES, THAT'S WHERE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS ARE ABOUT THAT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
IF IT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR ABOVE, YEAH, IT WOULD BE A PERMITTED USE.
BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GROUND FLOOR AND, AND SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE THAT IS TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATION.
IF YOU WANNA DO AN OFFICE, LIKE YOU SAID, HE CANNOT DO IT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD DO AN OFFICE, JUST, JUST CANNOT DO A BANK WITH A THEME IN THE SAME SPACE, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE A BANK, YOU'RE GONNA SAY A BANK, HEY, YOU NEED TO PUT PEDESTRIAN SOMETHING THAT PROMOTES PEDESTRIAN.
BUT IF IT'S A NON-BANK, YOU DON'T.
SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? IF YOUR PURPOSE IS TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ON THAT STREET TO FOLLOW PUNISHING THE BANK, AND THEN YOU'RE NOT LIMITING.
SO OPEN UP A TRY TO CLEAR, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
AND THEN YOU'RE NOT LIMITING IT BECAUSE THEN YOU GONNA OPEN UP A TATTOO BORDER.
IT'S, YOU ARE OPENING IT UP TO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS OTHER THAN JUST A CAFE.
I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON IGNACIO'S POINT IS, DO WE DO THIS WITH ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS? UH, WE'RE DOING IT WITH FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS NOW.
IS THERE ANYTHING SIMILAR THAT WE, THAT WE PUT THE ONUS ON THE BUSINESS? YES.
O OFFICE IS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW ON MIRACLE MILE BASED.
I MEAN, THAT'S A BROAD, PRIMARILY THAT'S BROAD.
THAT GROUND FLOOR WOULD, THAT'S OFFICES, I MEAN, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.
DO WE DO THIS WITH ATTORNEY'S OFFICES? DO WE DO THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY OFFICE RIGHT NOW WOULD, AS LONG AS 90% OF WHAT WE HAVE ON, I'LL JUST KEEP USING MIRACLE MILES IS THE EXAMPLE.
RIGHT? BUT WHY ARE WE, WHY? SO IF IT CAME IN FOR, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF USE APPLICATION, STAFF WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND BE LIKE, FORTUNATELY, SORRY, THIS USE WOULD NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THAT LOCATION IN THE SENSE OF, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON CORNERS AND CORNER ACTIVATIONS, THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST KIND OF USE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, AND UTILIZE THAT PEDESTRIAN, UH, ORIENTATION ON THE CORNERS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A COUPLE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT NOW THAT THEY ARE INACTIVE.
AND THAT'S THE HOPE IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACTIVATE, UH, THESE, THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, RIGHT? BUT SO NUMBER ONE, COULDN'T THE ANTITHESIS BE THAT BANKS WILL SHY AWAY FROM CORNER, UM, LOCATIONS? AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT SCREAMED OUT ABOUT BANK AND ACTIVATION LIKE TOGETHER? BECAUSE WHEN I THINK BANKS, I DON'T REALLY THINK ACTIVATION, I DON'T, I THINK BANKING HOURS, I DON'T THINK PROMOTE COMMERCE OR STREET TRAFFIC.
I, I GET WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS TRYING TO ELIMINATE DEAD SPACES.
BUT I MEAN, I JUST, I THINK IT'S, IT'S NUMBER ONE, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IS A FUNNY ONE.
I GUESS I, I, I SEE IT BECAUSE THEY DO TAKE UP PRIME LOCATIONS.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD START WITH BANKS AGAIN.
WELL, SO JUST TO REITERATE RIGHT NOW, RETAIL AS IT'S DEFINED IN, UH, OUR DEFINITIONS FOR RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES AS A PRIMARY USE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN THERE.
SO PREVIOUSLY THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED, OR CURRENTLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE PERMITTED.
BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS AS WE HAVE A LIST OF GROCERY STORES, PERSONAL SERVICES, ART GALLERIES, ET CETERA, A LOT OF THESE OTHER THINGS, THEY HAVE LONGER HOURS.
THEY CREATE MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
AND THAT'S, THAT IS SOLELY THE, THE HOPE OF THIS.
I I, AND I THINK YOU'RE PRESENTING THIS TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND THE ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT COMPETE FOR THESE AREAS WHERE THEY DEPEND ON FOOT TRAFFIC, AND IT'S NOT LAW FIRMS, AND IT'S NOT OTHER OFFICES, BECAUSE THEY CAN FIND LESS EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE AND NOT TAKE UP THE SPACE.
SO THE ISSUE IS FINDING THAT BALANCE TO KEEP THE AREAS ACTIVATED.
AND THE MAIN COMPETITOR TO THE ACTIVATED SPACES ARE THESE NONACTIVATED SPACES, WHICH HAPPEN TO BE BANKS.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU PRESENTED THIS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO ADD THESE INCENTIVES AS WELL.
UM, IF, IF STAFF CAN READ THE ACTIVATION STANDARDS, THEY'RE PROPOSED.
FELIX, YOU HAD A COMMENT? YES.
UH, UH, BASED ON ANALYSIS, UH, COMMENT OF THE MIAMI HERALD ARTICLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WRONG WITH MIRACLE MILE? UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE, FIRST OF ALL, THE NORMAL DEPTH IS SOMEWHERE FROM 70 TO 80 FEET AS FAR AS THE DEPTH OF THE, UM, OF THE AVAILABLE SPACE.
THAT'S, THAT FACES MIRACLE MILE.
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SO THAT PROVIDES A TA TREMENDOUS DEPTH THAT THERE'S NO WAY BASED ON THE RENTS, THAT THEY CAN, UM, MAKE A LIVING THERE.YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A RETAIL STORE, LET'S SAY, UH, FOR ACTIVATION ON MIRACLE MILE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE THIS, UM, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION AND YOU TAKE THE BACK TWO THIRDS OF IT, LET'S SAY, AND THEN YOU LEAVE THE FRONT AS THE RETAIL, THAT'S BASICALLY, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS, UH, KEEP THE ACTIVATION WHERE NOW YOU CAN HAVE, UM, UH, USES FOR RETAIL WHERE YOU DO ACTIVATE.
SECOND THING IS THAT OVER TIME, WE USED TO HAVE RESTAURANT ROW IN A PARTICULAR STREET, AND IT WAS WALL-TO-WALL RESTAURANTS, VERY GOOD RESTAURANTS.
NOW WE HAVE, UH, MIRACLE MILE HAS BECOME THE NEW RESTAURANT ROW, EXCEPT THAT NOW YOU SEE THE EFFECT OF, UH, OTHER ECONOMIC, UH, FORCES THAT HAVE, UH, BROUGHT A LOT OF THESE, UH, RESTAURANTS, INCLUDING CHAIN RESTAURANTS, WHICH ARE FINANCIALLY FUNDED VERY WELL, UH, TO THEIR KNEES.
SO YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VACANCIES THERE.
UH, WE HAVE, I THINK EVEN AN AUTO DEALERSHIP NOW ON MIRACLE MILE, WHEN YOU, AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT REALLY IS AMAZING IF YOU WALK MIRACLE MILE, WHICH I HAVE, IS THAT, UH, SOME OF THESE STORES ARE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
THERE'S NO FOOT TRAFFIC, UH, COMPONENT THERE.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S BECOME AN ISSUE THAT FOR MANY YEARS, INCLUDING THE BID AND, AND MANY, UH, UH, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU LOSE THE DIVERSITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE FROM A RENT, RENT STANDPOINT.
SO I THINK THAT SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS TO BE ABLE TO CHIP AWAY OF, OF THE DEPTH OF THE REAL ESTATE TO BE ABLE THEN TO MAKE IT A MORE ECONOMICAL AND ACCESSIBLE, UH, AND, AND VALUABLE THING TO, UM, UH, TO OTHER USES.
BUT, AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE IT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA ONLY, YOU KNOW, BRING IN OR, OR PROMOTE TO BRING RESTAURANTS.
BECAUSE I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IN 2003 OR SO ON PONDS AND ME MILE, I, I, I DID BOTH CORNERS.
I DID ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, I DID THE EINSTEIN BAGELS AND THE STARBUCKS.
OKAY? I REMEMBER HAVING TO DO A CUTOUT BECAUSE AT THE TIME, ME MILE DID NOT ALLOW OUTDOOR SEATING.
SO IF YOU KNOW THAT I HAD TO CUT OUT AN AREA 25 BY 25 TO HAVE OUTDOOR SITTING WITHIN THE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WE DID, UH, I DID, UH, LINE ROSE, LINE ROSE USED TO BE A VERY NICE FURNITURE STORE, BUT THE HOURS SOUTH OPERATION WAS FROM 10 TO SIX.
SO NO MATTER WHAT, YOU HAD A, A RETAIL BUSINESS THAT AT SIX O'CLOCK STOPPED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POINT? UNLESS YOU, YOU BRING IN RESTAURANTS THAT IS, ARE THE ONLY, THE ONLY THINGS THAT'S GONNA STAY, OR FOR THE MOST PART, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA STAY OPEN LATE, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THAT PROBLEM TO ME ON THE BANKS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
AND CAPITAL ONE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
YES, IT, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S A PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO SECURITY ALSO FOR THOSE BANKS TO HAVE A SEPARATE BUSINESS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD BE COMING IN.
UM, I, I THINK IF YOU ARE GONNA PROMOTE ACTIVATION, IT, YOU KNOW, IT CANNOT BE LIMITED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, EXCLUDE THE BANKS ONE USE.
I, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, I'M SORRY.
MR. PARDO, YOU ALLOW, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD A, A NEW STOREFRONT BANK BECOME A STOREFRONT BANK WHEN YOU GOT THESE, UH, GRANDFATHERED IN BANKS THAT ARE SITTING ON CORNERS AROUND THE AREA? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY ECONOMIC SENSE AT ALL FOR THE BANKS THEMSELVES.
WHY WOULD BANK STOREFRONT BANK BE LIMITED TO 75 FOOT WIDTH FRONTAGE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DELRAY BEACH HAS, UH, REQUIRED.
75 FEET FRONTAGE A STOREFRONT.
SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? A HUNDRED? WHAT THEY WANT 125.
SO WE'RE GONNA EMULATE DELRAY BEACH BECAUSE IT'S 75.
I MEAN, THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE.
NOVO, IT'S ONLY INFORMATIONAL POINT,
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BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.WHAT, WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A STOREFRONT BANK CREATING ACTIVITY? THE ANSWER IS ZERO.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE A WALK-IN CUSTOMER BASE, THAT'S FINE, BUT THEY DON'T CREATE ANY RETAIL ACTIVITY.
THEY DON'T, I MEAN, THEY CLOSE, LIKE, UH, MR. BEHAR SAID, AND MR. PARDO AND ALL THE OTHERS, THEY CLOSE AT SIX ON ALL THESE HOLIDAYS, WHETHER THEY'RE LEGAL HOLIDAYS OR WHATEVER HOLIDAYS THEY ARE, THEY CLOSE UP.
THEY DON'T OPERATE, THEY DON'T OPEN.
SO IT'S A LIMITED OFFERING TO A CUSTOMER BASE, AND YOU'RE TAKING A VERY VALUABLE STOREFRONT IN A VERY VALUABLE AREA, A MIRACLE MILE.
IT REALLY, THE MORE I READ ABOUT THIS, UH, THE MORE I'M NOT GOING TO, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION YES.
THE THE CAR DEALERSHIP THAT IS ON MIRACLE MILE, OKAY, IT AFTER 6:00 PM IS IT OPEN? NO.
SO THEY'RE TAKING VALUABLE SPACE.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS NOT GONNA TAKE VALUABLE SPACE IS A RESTAURANT.
SO CAN WE HAVE EVERYTHING? EXACTLY.
IT DOESN'T OPEN TO A CERTAIN TIME.
IT'S BY APPOINTMENT ONLY BY APPOINTMENT THOUGH.
AND IT'S PROBABLY CLOSED ON SUNDAYS AS WELL.
SORRY, ARE THE, IS THERE ANY, UH, THING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT THE, THE SPACE HAS TO BE OPEN FOR THE CAFE IF THEY SHARE SPACE WITH THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION? I, WE KEEP SAYING THE CAPITAL ONE CAFE, BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
UM, THEY TEND TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MARKET TO A YOUNGER, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC.
AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM, UM, TO HAVE THAT, THAT'S THEIR NICHE.
UM, I DON'T SEE NORTHERN TRUST DOING THE SAME THING.
NO,
BUT THEY COULD ALSO CARVE OUT A SHALLOW FRONTAGE LINER AND SUBLEASE THAT OUT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
SO IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR SPACE TO A CAFE.
THAT, THAT, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT THAT'S HARD TO REALLY ACCOMPLISH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I'M GONNA DO A CAFE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED BACK OF HOUSE SERVICE AND EVERYTHING TO THROW THAT THROUGH THE BACK TO THE BANK.
WHO'S DICTATING WHAT'S WHAT? CARVING OUT A FRONTAGE AND YOU LEASE THAT TO A CLOTHING STORE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MORE ACTIVATED.
WHO GETS TO DICTATE WHO A CLOTHING STORE AT SIX O'CLOCK INSTEAD TOO? WHO GETS TO DICTATE WHO THE CAFE SPACE IS LEASED TO? DOES THE BANK OR DOES IT THE, I MEAN, IF THE, I, I GUESS IF THE BANK OWNS THE PROPERTY, THEN THEY DO, SOMETIMES THERE ARE SHARED SPACES AND SOME NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT LET'S SAY THE BANK WE HAVE AGAIN, AND I DEFAULT TO LIKE THE NORTHERN, NORTHERN TR UH, PRIVATE BANKING INSTITUTION, UM, THAT MIGHT NOT WANT, YOU KNOW, UH, A CERTAIN RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR TO THEIR BANK, AND THEY CHOSE, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THERE, THE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A POSSIBILITY TO DRIVE BANKS AWAY FROM THESE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO JUST BUY IT A BLOCK OR TWO BLOCKS AWAY OUTSIDE OF THE DI THESE DISTRICTS AND SET IT UP THERE, AND THEN THE SPACE IS GONNA SIT EMPTY.
SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A, IN, IN THEORY, IT'S A LOVELY IDEA.
AND I'M ALL FOR COMMERCE IN MAKING THE FOOT TRAFFIC.
I JUST DON'T LIKE HAVING TO TELL THESE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WHAT TO DO.
AND, AND AGAIN, WHO'S GOING TO CHOOSE WHAT CAFE GOES THERE? SO, ALL RIGHT, LET ME DO SOMETHING.
LET ME, LET ME, WE HAD ENOUGH FOR NOW.
QUESTION ONE MORE CLARIFICATION.
I AGREE WITH, UH, NESTOR, BUT WHAT THESE, THESE, WE CALL IT CAFE, BUT IS THERE A LIMIT WHERE THEY CAN OPEN UP THERE? IS THERE THEY CAN OPEN UP ANYTHING THAT JUST CREATE, CREATES PEDESTRIAN WALK? WHAT? UH, SO WE, WE HAVE A DEFINITION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR UH, IF YOU GUYS JUST TURN TO THE FRONT, HOLD ON, OF WHERE THE ORDINANCE WOULD START.
UH, UM, FORGIVE ME, THAT WOULD BE PAGE FOUR DEFINITIONS.
SO, UH, A NEWLY PROPOSED DEFINITION, UH, ACTIVE STREET FRONT USE MEANS GROUND FLOOR USE,
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WHETHER PRINCIPLE OR ACCESSORY THAT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND GENERATES FREQUENT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.VISUAL INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC REALM THROUGH TRANSPARENT STOREFRONT DESIGN, DIRECT SIDEWALK ACCESS AND ACTIVE CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT.
ACTIVE STREET FRONT USES INCLUDE RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES, RESTAURANTS, CAFES, FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS, ENTERTAINMENT VENUES, CULTURAL FACILITIES, FITNESS STUDIOS, GALLERIES, PERSONAL SERVICES, WHICH WE ALSO HAVE A NEW DEFINITION FOR AS WELL.
AND SIMILAR PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE USES.
UH, THESE USES THAT ARE LOCATED ON CORNER LOTS MAY BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL ACTIVATION STANDARDS, WHICH IS, UH, THE OTHER ITEM WE CAN GO OVER IS IF, IF, UH, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO, TO ENSURE CONTINUOUS, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, UH, ALONG BOTH STREET FRONTAGES, SUCH AS PROVIDING ACTIVE USES ALONG BOTH FRONTAGES WHEN ON CORNERS LOCATING ENTRANCES ON THE NEAR ON OR NEAR THE CORNER.
PROVIDING MORE THAN ONE PUBLIC ENTRANCE TO ADDRESS EACH STREET FRONT AND INCREASING STREET FRONT TRANSPARENCY ALONG BOTH FACADES AND LIMITING BLANK WALLS AND NON-TRANSPARENT, UH, FRONTING, UH, FACING EITHER STREET THAT THAT'S IN, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
SO IT COULD BE A TATTOO PAR LIMITING BLANK WALLS OR NON-PARENT.
WELL, HOW, HOW YOU DEFINE, YEAH, HOW, I MEAN HOW DO YOU DEFINE PERSONAL SERVICES AND SIMILAR PUBLICLY.
YEAH, THIS IS ACCESSIBLE USERS.
IF YOU HAVE STOREFRONT, YOU'RE NOT CREATING, LISTEN, LEMME DO SOMETHING ISSUE FOR PERSONAL SERVICES.
LET ME OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN KNOW WE'RE GONNA COME BACK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE SECOND BITE TO THE APPLE HERE.
UM, LET ME OPEN STAFF IS JUST TRYING TO ASSIST WITH CREATING SOME KIND OF PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION.
BUT I, THIS NEEDS A LOT MORE WORK.
LET, LET'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
JILL, DO WE HAVE ANY, THAT'S WHY WE NEED YOU GUYS.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN THIS? YES, WE DO.
MARIO GARCIA, MR. SARAH, COME ON, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR ON THE BOARD.
MARIO GARCIA WITH OFFICES AT 600 BRICKELL AVENUE AND ALSO 9 0 1 ELLI LEON BOULEVARD HERE TODAY REPRESENTING PNC BANK.
YOU'RE SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH A LARGE COMMUNITY BANK.
PNC BANK RIGHT NOW IS UNDER LEASE, UH, FOR THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 42 31 SOUTH LEJEUNE.
THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT SOME OF YOU'LL REMEMBER.
THE LAST USE OF IT WAS A SIR PIZZA RESTAURANT PIZZERIA THERE ALONG LEJEUNE BEFORE THEN, IT'S BEEN OTHER RESTAURANTS, INCLUDING, I THINK IF YOU GO FAR BACK ENOUGH, A BURGER KING.
THAT SPACE, THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN EMPTY NOW SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 YEARS.
WE NOW HAVE A POTENTIAL BANK THERE, BUT WITH THE PROSPECT OF 25% OF THAT SPACE WITHIN THAT BUILDING, HAVING TO BE DEDICATED TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BANKING, IT WILL KILL THAT PROPOSAL.
AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS NOT A BUILDING THAT HAS ANY OCCUPANCY.
THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING IN THAT BUILDING FOR MANY YEARS.
AND WE FINALLY HAVE POTENTIALLY A NEW TENANT THERE TO BRING LIFE AND ACTIVITY TO THAT AREA OF THE CITY.
AND NOW IT'S FACING AN ORDINANCE WHEREBY 25% OF THE SPACE, IT'S ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE THAT EQUATES TO 800 SQUARE FEET WOULD HAVE TO BE DEDICATED TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BANKING, WHICH IS THEIR MAIN BUSINESS.
AND THEY DO NOT FOLLOW ANY MODEL OF INCORPORATING CAFES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO ASIDE FROM THE IMPACT IN SPACE, THINK OF THE IMPACT ON OPERATIONS, HAVING TO BALANCE THE NEED FOR FOOD SERVICE OR ENTERTAINMENT OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE WITH WHAT THEIR MAIN FUNCTION IS, WHICH IS BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES.
THINK OF THE IMPACT ON THE EXPERIENCE FOR THEIR CLIENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HIGH-END GIBRALTAR BANK, MAYBE, OR, UH, NORTHERN TRUST BANK AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT SORT OF BANKING EXPERIENCE HAS TO BE BALANCED WITH A ROOM FULL OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE THERE.
IT WOULD REALLY BE IN THE CASE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IN THIS PART OF THE CITY WHERE THIS ORDINANCE IS STILL APPLICABLE TO.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT MIRACLE MILE, BUT THIS ORDINANCE IS ALSO APPLICABLE TO MANY OTHER CITIES, MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, THE NORTH PONDS AREA, THE DESIGN DISTRICT AROUND THE VILLAGE OF MERRICK PARK, WHERE THIS IS LOCATED.
IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING, IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY PARTICULAR PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THIS AREA OF THE CITY.
ON THE CONTRARY, AS I MENTIONED ALREADY, A SPACE THAT INDEED HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
HARD TO FIND THE TENANT TO FILL THIS SPACE WOULD NOW LOSE THE ONE PROSPECTUS TENANT THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS.
THERE COULD BE CERTAIN DESIGN REQUIREMENTS TO, TO PROMOTE VISIBILITY AND PEDESTRIANISM AND SO FORTH, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE.
THIS MIGHT MAKE SENSE, PERHAPS, UH, SOME OTHER PART OF THE CITY SUCH AS MIRACLE MILE.
BUT HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY, I THINK IT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
YOU PERHAPS WANNA CONSIDER INCENTIVIZING THIS AS OPPOSED
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TO OBLIGATING IT.THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVE AND PALATABLE.
BUT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, WHILE BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES MAY NOT BE THE MOST ACTIVE OF USES, THEY ARE A FUNCTION THAT EVERY RESIDENT OF THIS CITY NEEDS.
AND IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT FUNCTION HERE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FILL A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN EMPTY NOW FOR SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 YEARS, THIS SORT OF REGULATION DOES NOT HELP.
AND WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT SORT OF REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE.
I THINK AT A MINIMUM THIS, UH, THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS A LOT OF REVIEW AND ANALYSIS AND, AND FACTORING IN WHAT THE PRACTICAL IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES LIKE THE ONE I DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW.
WE WERE FOCUSING COMPLETELY ON ONE PART OF THE CITY WHEN THE ORDINANCE IS APPLICABLE TO MANY OTHERS AND COULD CAUSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
UH, JOE, ANY OTHER? NO MORE SPEAKERS.
THE, UH, MADAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP TO BACK TO THE, TO THE BOARD DISCUSSIONS.
UM, ESTHER, SO I, I KNOW WE WERE KIND OF FIXATED ON, ON MIRACLE MILE AND IT, IT DID, IT CONCEPT DID MAKE SENSE, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THE OLD SIR PIZZA, UM, BUILDING, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW.
IS THAT PART OF THE, OF THE, WHERE THE REQUIRED AREA IS GONNA BE? SO YEAH, CAN CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH THE ACTIVATION, PROPOSED ACTIVATION STANDARD? CAN WE LOOK AT THAT? 'CAUSE THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THERE.
THAT 25% OF THE TENANT FLOOR BAY AREA, THAT'S ONE OPTION.
THE O OTHER OPTION WOULD BE A MINIMUM 20 FOOT CUSTOMER SERVICE AREA DEPTH, UH, EXTENDING ACROSS ONLY 50% OF THE LINEAR FRONTAGE HERE.
BUT, BUT THE QUESTION, IT WOULD APPLY THERE TOO.
IT WOULD APPLY AT THAT LOCATION.
IT WOULD APPLY TO THAT LOCATION, CORRECT.
THAT LOCATION IS WITHIN THE DESIGN.
ARE WE TRYING TO PROMOTE ACTIVATION THERE TOO, THROUGHOUT? IS THAT THE CITYWIDE EVERYTHING THAT'S MX OKAY.
NOT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN MX, BUT THIS CASE, THE ONE THAT MARIO IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S WITHIN THE DESIGN OVER, YEAH.
SO, SO, SO BASICALLY FROM PONDS TO LAJEUNE FROM BIRD TO US ONE FAIR.
AND SO, I MEAN, THE O THE MAIN ISSUE I SEE PRIMARILY ON CORNERS.
BUT THE MAIN ISSUE I SEE THERE, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S BAD, BUT A, A BANK LIKE PNC GIBRALTAR, ONE OF THESE PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS, IF THEY OPEN UP A CAFE OR SOMETHING, YOU HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I MEAN, SEVEN 11 WAS PRETTY BAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL BAD, BUT THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF LOITERING, UH, YOU KNOW, TRUANCY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK FOR A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION IT WOULD BE A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW GIVEN THE PROXIMITY THAT YOU HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
NOW THAT'S A REALLY BIG CONCERN FOR ME.
NA SO I'M SORRY, YOU'RE GETTING BEAT UP.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS COLLABORATE AND, UH, HOPEFULLY REFINE SOME IDEAS.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT OTHER IDEAS, I THINK THE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP, INCENTIVIZING A BUSINESS MAYBE MIGHT BE AN OPTION.
WE HAVE TWO INCENTIVES THAT ARE, UH, WHICH ARE, UH, BASICALLY TAKING OUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UH, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO IT'S, BUT IT'S A EITHER OR.
THIS IS, THEY COULD ALSO GET AN ADDITIONAL, UH, RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE PROJECTION SIGN THEY COULD GET ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
BONUS SIGNAGE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GIVING THEM THE OPTION.
THEY WOULD'VE, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA OPEN UP A BANK, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AND RETURN, IF IT'S A NEWLY PROPOSED BANK.
C IF IT'S A NEWLY PROPOSED BANK ON A CORNER, UH, WITHIN THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, THAT WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT.
YEAH, BUT WHY DON'T WE DO IT? WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS WHY, WHY YOU SAY A OR B, IF YOU WANNA PROMOTE WALKING OR PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN, WHY DON'T YOU SAY, HEY, YOU CAN DO IT THE OLD WAY, BUT IF YOU WANNA DO IT THIS WAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A, B AND C AS AN OPTION.
'CAUSE I AGREE WITH P AND C BANK, MY FORMER LIFE OWES A COP.
WE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE LEAVING THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THAT BANK, DRINKING COFFEE, EATING FOOD, DOING WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO.
I'M NOT GONNA WALK OVER THERE INTO THAT BANK AND DO BUSINESS WHILE THEY'RE OUT THERE.
SO TILL WE DRAW MONEY,
ONCE AGAIN, THE NO OFFENSE OFFENSE TO THE STUDENTS.
I'M SORRY, CALL NO OFFENSE TO CALL GABLES HIGH.
I WON'T PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT THESE ARE LEGIT ISSUES, WHICH IS WHY I'M GONNA VOTE NO TO, TO THE WAY THIS IS RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I JUST WANNA REITERATE THE FACT AGAIN, THAT WE ARE TAKING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OUT OF RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES, WHICH IS CURRENTLY HOW IT IS DEFINED.
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UH, FEELS THAT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS THROUGH A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.AND SPEAKING OF CURRENTLY, OR THE OLD WAYS, LEMME CONTINUE TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL COME BACK.
IF I'LL GIVE YOU, IN MY CAREER, I'VE DESIGNED, I KNOW 30, 40 BANKS, THE WORLD OF BANKING HAS CHANGED COMPLETELY IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS OR MORE.
UM, BUT THE CURIOUS THING ABOUT WHAT MR. GARCIA CIRO SAID IS THAT, UH, THERE YOU HAVE, UM, A STRUCTURE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A, AS A BURGER KING, THEN IT WAS A PIZZA PLACE, AND THEN, UM, AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL THEN IT DIED OUT.
AND IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR ABOUT A DECADE.
AND, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ME, THE, THE USE OF THE, OF THE BANK WOULD MAKE SENSE AS LONG AS THEY COULD STAY THERE, AS LONG AS THEY COULD PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, BOOKS THAT WE READ MANY YEARS AGO BY JANE JACOBS, ET CETERA, FOR THE ACTIVATION OF THESE, THESE STREETS WHERE THE, THE STREETS, BY BEING ACTIVATED, THEY BECOME SAFER.
THEY BECOME THIS, THEY BECOME THAT.
BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN AN EMPTY BUILDING.
EVERY TIME I WALK DOWN MIRACLE MILE AND I SEE PAPER CLADDING ON THE, ON THE STOREFRONT, IT'S HEARTBREAKING.
AND WHEN I SEE, UM, EXISTING BANKS THAT HAVE RECENTLY CLOSED ON THE JUNE ROAD, UH, I THINK THAT'S HEARTBREAKING.
IT'S, IT SPEAKS VOLUMES OF WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING.
I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF IS TRYING TO DO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, WHICH IS PROVIDING MORE FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE OBNOXIOUS USES THAT ARE AFFECTING NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
FOR ME, HAVING AN EMPTY PROPERTY, IT IS TELEGRAPHING.
YOU DON'T WANNA PUT YOUR BUSINESS THERE WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY OF THEM.
AND THAT'S ALSO A PART OF THE PSYCHOLOGY OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY GO SHOP.
IT'S THE SAME THING AS PARKING.
PARKING IS AN ISSUE AND YOU MAKE PARKING EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND YOU'RE GONNA GET TICKETED ON TOP OF THAT.
PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA GET IN THEIR CARS AND DRIVE TO DAD LAND MALL AND PARK THERE FOR FREE.
IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN REAL ESTATE IS BUILT AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE CARRYING THAT NUT, WHICH IS PROPERTY TAXES AND INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HAVING A BUILDING EMPTY FOR 10 YEARS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE COMPARED TO HAVING A BANK ON THAT PARTICULAR CORNER, IN MY OPINION.
OH, LET ME GET ALICE A SECOND.
YOU ANY OTHER COMMENT? YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A CONCERN NOW YOU'VE HEARD MORE CONCERNS AND MAYBE THE BEST THING IS FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH A REVISED PROPOSAL.
AND ANY RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF IS OPEN TO, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA GIVE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, UH, ALEX, NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN AT THIS, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS MIRACLE MILE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
AND THE WALKABILITY, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND, AND NORTH POND, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT I THINK THEN YOU HAVE A PROPERTY SUCH AS THIS ONE WHERE IT GETS AFFECTED FOR, FOR NO REASON.
AND, AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BANKS AND FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, WE'RE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE CORNER OF PONDS AND MIRACLE MILE.
AND NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS ANOTHER BANK IS GOING TO THAT CORNER WHERE THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP PRIOR.
SO I THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS EXTREMELY BROAD, EXTREMELY BURDENSOME, ESPECIALLY THE FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THE SCOPE OF THE LOCATION'S A LITTLE TOO BROAD.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTA FOCUS MORE ON, I GUESS MIRACLE MILE, MAYBE THE SURROUNDING BLOCKS.
BUT I THINK THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THAT, AND QUITE FRANKLY HAS NO WALKABILITY.
I DRIVE BY THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I NEVER SEE ANYONE WALK IN THOSE STREETS.
SO I JUST THINK IT DEFINITELY, TO HER POINT, NEEDS SOME RESTRICTION.
EXCEPT FOR STUDENTS WHICH AREN'T GONNA BE THERE AT NIGHT.
ANYWAYS, ZALO, CAN WE ALL SORT OF SPEAK INTO THE MIC BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE
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COURT REPORTER'S BENEFIT.GONZALO, ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? NOT YET.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THING BECAUSE NOT YET, NOT YET.
I'M TRYING, MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASKED THE COUNCIL, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? BECAUSE MR. RA CAME IN REPRESENTING SIR PIZZA, WHICH IS A VACANT BUILDING.
IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE ACTIVE AND SHOULD BE A BANK CORNER.
BUT THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STOREFRONT AROUND MIRACLE MILE.
SO WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON, SIR? I WANT SOME SORT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IT'S NOT LIMITED TO MIRACLE MILE.
YEAH, THAT I THINK THAT, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK, GONZALO, BECAUSE THIS IS TOO BROAD.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, I'M IN FAVOR.
AND MAYBE A COUPLE BLOCKS NORTH AND SOUTH OF RC MILE.
OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THIS IS NOT A GOOD PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE'RE, THIS IS THE PERFECT CASE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE A BUILDING EV THAT FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, IT'S EMPTY.
WHY WILL THAT BANK THERE WANNA OPEN THAT IGNA, SAY OPEN A CAFE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CROWDS IN THERE THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE COMPATIBLE WITH A BANKING INSTITUTION EMPTY IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY GONE THROUGH A BUILD BIG BUILDING, BOOM.
'CAUSE THAT AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED A LOT AND THAT BUILDING STILL SAT EMPTY.
SO, AND IT BEGS TO THE QUESTION WHY I THINK IF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE FOR EVERYTHING, IF IT'S MIRACLE MILE, I THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT PROPOSAL.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN LIMITED AREAS.
WE CANNOT SAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE AREAS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK, IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T WORK THERE AND MAKE IT AN OPTION AND INCENTIVIZE THEM AND GIVE 'EM OPTION A OR OPTION B.
IF YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR IDEAS.
SO I, I THINK, WHAT ARE WE GONNA VOTE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA VOTE ANYTHING TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEND THEM BACK.
YOU HEARD OF THE COMMENTS? I THINK WE SHOULD COME BACK WITH A, WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS MORE SPECIFIC FOR AN AREA.
IT'S NOT THOSE 4, 3, 3 OR THREE AREAS THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, OR INNOVATIVE AREA.
UH, YOU MAY WANNA HAVE A BANK.
MY OFFICE IS IN THAT AREA AT SIX O'CLOCK, THE LIGHTS ARE PRETTY MUCH GONE.
AND ALSO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY OFFICE AND, AND IN A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION? I, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE DEFER, COULD WE, COULD WE OR, OR MAYBE FOCUS LIKE MAYBE A, A COMBINATION OF MAKING IT OPTIONAL AND STARTING AS LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM WITH MIRACLE MILE.
OR AT LEAST AS, AS THE TARGET PROB, YOU KNOW, PILOT, SEE HOW WORKS OUT.
I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S VERY BROAD THE WAY IT'S, I THINK SO DO WE, DO WE DEFER, DO WE CONTINUE MY RECOMMENDATION, DEFER TO A DATE, UNCERTAIN, LET STAFF, UH, COME BACK WITH THE, UH, REVISED PROPOSAL? UH, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
SO THAT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO CONSIDER THE VARIOUS OPTIONS.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE GO UP.
WE'RE GONNA DEFER, WE YOU THINK THAT 30 DAYS FOR NEXT MEETING IS SUFFICIENT OR YOU WANNA HAVE TO THE FA THE MEETING AFTER THAT? I WOULD SAY AT LEAST, UH, 60 DAYS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S ONE MORE THING.
WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, PARDON? THERE'S ONE MORE THING THAT WHEN WE TALK ONLY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR USE, IT'S SO SMALL.
HOW, HOW MANY INSTITUTIONS CAN YOU EVEN PLACE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TAKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DIVIDED AND GO BACK TO THE AMOUNT THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES.
MAYBE THERE, THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED, THAT COULD BE PERMITTED THIS WAY, WHERE YOU COULD STILL ACTIVATE IT.
I, I, I REALLY DO BELIEVE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, REDUCING SOME OF THAT DEPTH WHEN WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MIRACLE MILE, SIMPLY BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNED AS RETAIL SPACES, IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.
I, I THINK YOU STAFF HAS, YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS COME BACK AND OR IT'S GONNA BE NOT IN DAYS, IN 60 DAYS FOR THE JUNE, JUNE, JUNE, YEAH,
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WHENEVER THAT DATE WILL BE.WELL, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA ADVERTISE ANYWAY, SO I WOULD I DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY NEED TO GIVE THEM A TIME.
THEY COULD COME BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY.
WE DO NEED A MOTION TO DEFER TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.
WHO MADE THE MOTION AND WHO SECOND.
NEXT ITEM WE HAVE THE ELECTION IS A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THE DEFERRAL.
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ON THE, UH, ON E THREE ELECTION.I'D LIKE TO DEFER THIS FOR THE NEXT, TOTAL NEXT MEETING, UNLESS IT'S, UH, WE
ADAM, I'D LIKE TO GO INTO THE DISCUSSION MORE THAN THE ELECTION AT THIS TIME, BUT I, I THINK I'M A, I'M GONNA BRING UP THE ELECTIONS NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA PUSH IT.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE ELECTION.
I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE, I WOULD ALSO MOVE TO TO DEFER.
SO THERE'S A MOTION TO DEFER AND WE HAVE A SECOND AND TO A PARTICULAR TIME.
OR WHY ARE WE DEFERRING THIS? I MEAN, IF YOU WANT DISCUSSED ALL SEVEN OF US HERE, EVERYBODY'S HERE, WHAT ARE WE NEED? UH, THAT IS TRUE.
WHAT, WHAT? I MEAN, WE ARE DEFERRING, MIGHT AS WELL JUST TAKE, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF ON TUESDAY THEY MOVE THE ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER THAT CHANGES OUR PERIODS THAT IT COULD AFFECT THE FUTURE OF THIS BOARD.
THERE'S THERE'S TOO MANY WHAT IFS.
THAT'S A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU ALL HOW YOU FEEL.
YOU COULD DO THE ELECTION NOW.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DEFER IT.
LET'S, LET'S TAKE A, I GUESS A MEAN A FOOT AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING? GONZALO.
I, I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON WHY I I WOULDN'T CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE ALL OF US HERE AND WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE.
WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN PUNTING THIS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, MONTHS NOW.
AND SO I, I I, I VOTE WE'LL JUST HAVE THE ELECTION.
FELIX, YOU'RE, I, I HAVE NO, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT A DOES MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE REFERENDUM COMING UP.
BUT WOULD THAT REALLY AFFECT US? I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS, IF IT MOVES, IF IT MOVES IT TO NOVEMBER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE POTENTIAL NEW PEOPLE.
IT MIGHT HAVE A BRAND NEW COMMISSIONER.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO APPOINT THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
SO IT MIGHT CHANGE IT FROM MAY.
BUT TO DECEMBER, THEN WE WOULD'VE TO PUT THIS OFF FOR SIX, SEVEN MONTHS TILL THAT ELECTION HAPPENS.
UM, THAT COMMENT IS PROBABLY GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE LATER.
BUT YOU, YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO LEAVE IT AT AS IS WAS I LIKE ROBERT IS BEING THE CHAIRPERSON? WELL, THERE WAS A MOTION TO DEFER.
NO, THAT'S, WE ALREADY KILLED.
THAT HAS THEY WITHDRAWN THEIR MOTION? WITHDRAWN.
SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO STATUS QUO.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUN IT FOR SIX MONTHS.
SO IF IT'S STATUS QUO, WE'RE VOTING ON IT TONIGHT.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I PUT A MOTION FORWARD FOR KEEP IT STATUS QUO.
WELL, STATUS QUO MEANS THAT IT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, SO WE GOTTA VOTE FOR A CHAIRMAN IS ROBERT.
I, I, I NOMINATED ROBERT, BUT I I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ELECTIONS? WHAT DICTATES, TECHNICALLY IT'S APRIL TILL, TILL THE, TECHNICALLY IT HASN'T.
NO, TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY THE OP UPON APPOINTMENT OF TO THE BOARD.
RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED ELECTION IS.
WHEN IS THE, I THINK WE'RE WELL BEYOND THE TIME THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION FOR CHAIR AND WE'VE PUSHED IT OFF.
WHAT ARE WE REQUIRED TO DO AND WHEN WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO AT ANY TIME, UH, WE SUGGEST WE DO IT WHEN WE HAVE A FULL BOARD HERE AND ALL OF OUR MEMBERS APPOINTED.
I GOT A, WE GOT A MOTION RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY SECOND? YOUR MOTION IS WHAT HE ROBERT, HE NOMINATES ROBERT.
BUT, BUT I BUT YOU CAN, I I'M, I CANNOT STAY AS, AS, AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW, THE CHAIRPERSON.
I'M GONNA MAKE A, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE
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A MOTION THAT WE PUT, MAKE ALEX ELLO AS THE CHAIRPERSON SECOND.WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CHAIR.
I CAN, I CANNOT BE ALRIGHT, THAT'S FINE.
SO, UH, FAVOR? CAN WE CALL THE VOTE ON THAT? SURE.
I MADE A MOTION TO MAKE ALEX THE CHAIRPERSON, SECOND BY ALEX FELIX PARDO.
SO WHO'S, WHO'S THE VICE CHAIR THEN? SO NOW I'M GONNA MAKE A MOVE.
WE NEED A, WE NEED A SECOND VOTE ON THE VICE CHAIR.
I'LL MAKE ALEX BRAVO TO BE, I NOMINATE TO BE THE VICE CHAIR.
CAN WE CALL THE ROLL GONZALO RIO? NO.
SO I GUESS MR. CHAIR, I TURN OVER THE GOBBLE TO YOU.
SO FOR THE NEW CHAIR, UH, YOUR ONLY OTHER, UH, THING THAT YOU NEED TO DO TONIGHT IS TO CALL A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
BUT YOU'RE WELCOME IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A SPEECH.
WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR, ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT.
I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS
I'VE SERVED ON THIS BOARD, I GUESS NOW FOR TWO DIFFERENT TERMS, SO CLOSE TO TWO YEARS.