* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WE'RE GONNA START ANYWAYS. UM, [00:00:01] CALLING [A. CALL TO ORDER] , REALLY, THIS BOARD COMPLIES OF SEVEN MEMBERS, FOUR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CONSTITUTE A FORUM, AND THEREFORE, FOR THE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE ABDUCTION OF ANY MOTION. IF ONLY FOR BOARD MEMBERS ARE PRESENT, APPLICANT MAY REQUEST BE ENTITLED TO A CONTINUOUS TO THE NEXT ATION MEETING OF THE BOARD. IF A MATTER CONTINUED ACT FORUM, THE CHAIRPERSON SECOND OF THE BOARD MAY SET A SPECIAL MEETING TO CONSIDER SUCH MATTER IN THE EVENT THAT FOUR VOTES ARE NOT OBTAINED BY AN APPLICANT, EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT MAY REQUEST A CONTINUOUS OR ALLOW THE APPLICATION TO PROCEED TO CITY COMMISSION WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION. PURSUANT TO RESOLUTION 2021 DASH 18, THE CITY OF CO GABLES HAS RETURNED TO TRADITIONAL IN-PERSON MEETING. HOWEVER, THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD HAS ESTABLISHED THE ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMON VIRTUALLY. FOR THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE APPEARING ON A ZOOM BASIS AND WISH TO TESTIFY, YOU MUST BE VISIBLE TO THE COURT REPORTER TO BE SWORN IN. OTHERWISE, IF YOU SPEAK WITHOUT BEING SWORN IN, YOUR COMMENTS MAY NOT BE VALUE. VALUABLE LOBBYISTS, LOBBYIST, REGISTRATION DISCLOSURE, ANY PERSON WHO ACTS AS A LOBBY MUST REGISTER WITH THE CITY CLERK AS REQUIRED TO THE CITY. UH, PURSUANT TO CITY CODE AS ACTING CHAIR, I NOW OFFICIALLY CALL THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES, PLANNING ZONING BOARD MEETING OF APRIL 15TH. TO ORDER THE TIME IS 6 0 3. JILL, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL IGNACIO ALVAREZ. HERE. ALICE BRAVO. HERE. ALEX CELO. HERE. NESTOR MENENDEZ. HERE. FELIX PARDO. HERE. GONZALO AND ABRIA. HERE. ROBERT BEHAR. HERE. THANK YOU. NOTICE, NOTICE REGARDING EXPORTE COMMUNICATION. PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THIS BOARD IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, WHICH REQUIRES BOARD MEMBERS TO DISCLOSE ALL EXPORTE COMMUNICATION AND SITE VISITS. EXPERT COMMUNICATION IS DEFINED AS ANY CONTACT, TERMINATION CON, CONVERSATION, CORRESPONDENT MERAN, OR ANY OTHER WRITTEN OR VERBAL COMMUNICATION THAT TAKES PLACE OUTSIDE A PUBLIC HEARING BETWEEN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND MEMBER OF THE QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD REGARDING MATTERS TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD. IF ANYONE MADE ANY CONTACT WITH A BOARD MEMBER REGARDING AN ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD MEMBER MUST STAY ON THE RECORD THE ASSISTANCE OF THE EXPORTE COMMUNICATION AND THE PARTY WHO ORIGINATED THE COMMUNICATION. ALSO, IF A BOARD MEMBER CONDUCTED SITE VISIT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE CASE BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD MEMBER MUST ALSO DISCLOSE SUCH VISIT. IN EITHER CASE, THE BOARD MEMBER MUST SAY ON THE RECORD WHETHER THE EXPORTE COMMUNICATION OR SITE VISIT WILL AFFECT THE BOARD MEMBER ABILITY TO IMPARTIALLY CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE WILL BE PRESENTED REGARDING THE MATTER. THE BOARD MEMBER SHOULD ALSO SAY THAT HIS OR HER DECISION WILL BE ON BE BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY PRESENTED ON THE RECORD TODAY. IF ANY BOARD MEMBER HAS SUCH ANY SUCH ATION, TO DISCLOSE AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. SAME NOTE. SO IN ANYONE WHO SPEAKS THIS SYM MUST COMPLETE THE ROSTER ON THE PODIUM. WE ASK THAT YOU PRINT CLEARLY SAW THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, BE CORRECT. NOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANY ATTORNEY, ALL PERSON PHYSICALLY IN THIS ROOM IN THE CHAMBER, WHO WILL SPEAK ON ANY AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, PLEASE, UM, RISE TO BE SWORN IN. SEEING NONE, WE CLOSE THAT SOON, MR. CHAIRMAN. ORDINARILY WE WOULD HAVE STAFF SWEAR IN, BUT THESE ARE BOTH, UM, LEGISLATIVE ITEMS, SO WHERE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO JUDICIAL, SO, OKAY, GOOD. THANKS. SOME PLATFORM PARTICIPANT, I'LL ASK ANY PERSON REASON TO SPEAK TO ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. ON ITEM TO BE TO PLEASE OPEN YOUR CHAT AND SEND A DIRECT MESSAGE TO GENTLEMAN AND THE STATING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE. THEREFORE, INCLUDE YOUR FULL NAME. JILL WILL CALL YOU WHEN IT'S RETURN TO WEEK. I'LL ASK, BE CONCISE FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME PHONE PLATFORM PARTICIPANT AFTER THE ZOOM PLATFORM ARE DONE, I WILL ASK THE PARTICIPANT TO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM. I'LL ASK, ALSO ASK YOU TO BE CONCISE FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME. [C. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES] UH, THIS TIME I'LL ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 11TH, 2026 WITH MOTION. I MOTION A SECOND. CAN PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALICE? BRAVO. A BRAVO? YES. UH, CELO? YES. MR. MENENDEZ? YES. FELIX BARO. YES. GONZALEZ. AND YES. IGNACIO EZ. YES. ROBERT? YES. THANK YOU. THE PROCEDURE WE WILL USE, WE FIRST IDENTIFIED THE IM AGENDA BY MR. COLER. WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT OR AGENT, WE'LL FOLLOWED BY PRESENTATION BY STAFF. WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE CHAMBER ZOOM PLATFORM, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THE PHONE PLATFORM. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE'LL HAVE THE BOARD DISCUSSION. WE WILL MAKE, OBTAIN A MOTION, DISCUSS SECOND OF THE BOARD, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A FINAL VOTE BY THE BOARD MEMBERS. UH, WITH THIS COMPLETED, MR. , PLEASE [E.-1. 26-1132 An Ordinance of the City Commission of Coral Gables, Florida providing for text amendments to the City of Coral Gables Official Zoning Code by amending Article 5, “Architecture,” Section 5-500, “Roofs,” to clarify roof design standards including the intent to incorporate a combination of pitched and flat roof forms and to establish that roof designs proposed as entirely flat require review and approval by the Full Board of Architects; to remove Sections 5-503 and 5-504 and renumber subsequent sections; to delete outdated parapet height provisions in flood hazard districts; and providing for a repealer provision, severability clause, codification, and providing for an effective date.] BE THE FIRST ITEM TO THE RECORD. YES. E ONE ORDINANCE [00:05:01] OF THE COMMISSION OF CARL GABLES, FLORIDA PROVIDING PROTECT AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF CORAL GABLE'S OFFICIALS ZONING CODE AMENDING BY ARCHITECTURE SECTION FIVE DASH 500 ROOFS TO CLARIFY ROOF DESIGN STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE INTENT TO INCORPORATE A COMBINATION OF PITCHED AND FLAT ROOF FORMS AND ESTABLISH THAT ROOF DESIGNS PROPOSED AS FLAT REQUIRED DUE APPROVAL BY THE FULL BOARD OF ARCHITECTS TO REMOVE SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 3 AND FIVE DASH 5 0 4 AND RE NU SUPPLEMENTS SECTIONS TO THE OUTDATED POWER PIT PIPE PROVISIONS AND DISTRICT, AND PROVIDING FOR PILLAR PROVISION SERVICEABILITY CLAUSE IFICATION, PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATE ITEM E ONE PUBLIC HEARING. GOOD EVENING, UH, MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS GREAT SOUTHERN PLANNING AND ZONING. PARDON? SO THIS, UH, ITEM IS A FOLLOW UP TO YOUR FEBRUARY 11TH DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENTS ARTICLE FIVE, SPECIFICALLY SECTION FIVE DASH 500 OF BRIEF DESIGN STANDARDS. AT THAT MEETING, THE BOARD RAISED, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT BOUNCING TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER WITH A NEED FOR MODERN DESIGN FLEXIBILITY, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO FLAT ROOFS, PARA PITS, AND, UH, ROOF MATERIALS. SO SINCE THAT MEETING IN FEBRUARY, UH, STAFF WERE CLEARLY WITH A BOARD MEMBER, AND ALSO THE CITY ARCHITECT RECO TO REFINE THE ORDINANCE IN RESPONSE TO THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD. SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT IS THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT AND AN UPDATED MEMO, UH, INDICATING BASICALLY THE THREE KEY UPDATES TO PROPOSED AS WAS DISCUSSED BACK IN FEBRUARY. THE FIRST IS SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 1 ROUTE. UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ADDED A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR A CONTEXTUAL ARCHITECTURAL ANALYSIS TO ACCOMPANY PROPOSALS FOR ROOFING MATERIALS ON SYSTEMS, OR, SORRY, ROOFING MATERIALS AND SYSTEMS. UH, THIS ANALYSIS MUST INCLUDE DRAWINGS, SPECIFICATIONS, SUPPORTING DOCUMENT, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION, UM, AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY ARCHITECT AND OR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS, AND MUST CLEARLY IDENTIFY THE SURROUNDING BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UH, WHILE ALSO EVALUATING COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, INCLUDING THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, MASSING SCALE, AND MATERIALITY. UM, THE SECOND REVISION THAT WE, UH, PUT TOGETHER IS FROM SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 2 FLAT ROOFS. WE BASICALLY SIMPLIFIED THAT FLAT ROOF PROVISION BY PROVIDING SUBSECTIONS, UH, BY REMOVING THOSE SUBSECTIONS THAT ACTUALLY HAD, UH, AMBIGUOUS, UM, COMMENTS THAT WERE SO GENERAL IS VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON, UH, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE EXTENT OF, UH, THE VISIBILITY OF FLAT ROOF ELEMENTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN COMPONENT. AND THIRD, WE'VE CLARIFIED THE LANGUAGE ON THE PITCHED ROOF MATERIALS TO EXPLICITLY, UH, PROHIBIT THE PAINTING OR POST INSTALLATION ALTERATION ALTERATION OF ROOF TILE COLORS. THIS IS SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 3, SUBSECTION C UH, PITCHED ROOF MATERIALS. SO THESE UPDATES ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE CLEAR GUIDANCE TO THE APPLICANTS AND REVIEWING BODIES WHILE MAINTAINING THE CITY'S STANDARDS FOR ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY AND CONSISTENCY, UH, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. SO ALL THE PRIOR FINDINGS, UH, FROM OUR PREVIOUS FEBRUARY STAFF REPORT, THEY'RE STILL CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REMAIN UNCHANGED. AND, UH, STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. THANK YOU, GREG. UM, JILL, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? NO. MEMBERS ZOOM? NO. OR PHONE? NO. WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO THE, UH, BOARD DISCUSSIONS, FELIX, AND YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THE, UH, MEETING WITH, WITH STAFF. YOU WANNA GO FIRST? WELL, WE, UH, WE MET WITH STAFF, MET WITH STAFF, UM, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT IT ALL HAD TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS MAINTAINING THAT, HAVING A MECHANISM EVALUATION, UH, FOR, UH, BOARD ARCHITECTS AND CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, PLACEMENT OF ANY OF THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS WOULD END KEEPING YOU WITH THE CHARACT NEIGHBORHOOD, ET CETERA. I THINK THE SAFEGUARDS ARE THERE. IN FACT, I POINT OUT TO STAFF THAT IN, IN THEIR, UM, UH, IN THE WAREHOUSES THAT CAME FROM THE MISSION, UH, IN THE WAREHOUSES, THEY HAD, UH, ACTUAL, UH, WORD IN THERE THAT WAS NOW, THAT IS NOW ADDED INTO, UH, THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION. SO WE'RE DOING THAT. I THINK IT GIVES, UH, PROTECTION, UH, TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. AND AT THE SAME TIME, IT ALSO GIVES, UM, UH, IT GIVES THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO WORK IN A CERTAIN, UM, A CERTAIN CONSTRUCT, DESIGN CONSTRUCT, IF YOU WILL. LEMME ASK YOU AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT ROOF BECAUSE IF YOU BE COMPATIBLE TO YOUR COMPETITOR, TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS, YOU KNOW, I THINKABLE 99.9% OF THE ROOFS ALL SLOW ROOF, ACTUALLY. UM, I DISAGREE BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, NEAR BAY, UH, VERY LARGE HOME, BEAUTIFUL HOMES THAT ARE THERE. UH, AND, AND OVER THE YEARS THEY HAD TO BUILD MUCH MORE MODERN, UH, STYLE, EVEN IN THE, SOME OF THE HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS, EVEN SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS COULD SEE , HOW MANY AREAS HAVE FLAT ROOF. SO THEREFORE, UH, AND YOU COULD DO FLAT ROOF, NOT THE ROOF ITSELF, BUT THE MASSING OF THE PUSHING AND PULLING. WE WENT INTO DETAIL, CITY PLANNER STAFF, AND, UM, THEY, THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO [00:10:01] DO THAT. SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT 99% OF THE AREAS ARE GOING TO BE, I, I THINK THAT IT HAS TO DO MORE WITH, UH, THE PARTICULAR APPLICATION OF WHERE THE SITE IS, WHERE IT'S CITED. EVEN ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF. WE, WE KNOW THAT IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREETS, IT'S , YOU COULD HAVE ROOF, YOU KNOW, IN HOUSE RELATED TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT, BUT THIS MEDIA IS, THIS IS TRYING TO, TO GO AWAY FROM SOME OF THE NEW HOUSES THAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT ARE MORE TEMPORARY MODERN HOUSES. RIGHT. THAT HAVE NO MORTGAGE ROOF. RIGHT. WELL, I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE. THE POINT IS, IT'S MUSIC, YOU KNOW, GOOD MUSIC IS GOOD MUSIC. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE SMALLER LOTS, UM, ARE, UM, VERY BULKY AND, AND THEY JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY FIT IN THE CITY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DEPENDING ON YOUR DETAILING, ET CETERA, SOME OF THESE AREAS ARE, ARE, UM, CAN SUPPORT, I GUESS YOUR ANALOGY OF GOOD MUSIC, YOU'RE RIGHT. MAY BE GOOD FOR YOU, MAY NOT BE GOOD FOR US. NO, NO. AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OF, OF ALL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. THE POINT IS THAT GIVING, GIVING SOMEONE THE, THE FLEXIBILITY IS GREAT, BUT GIVING THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE RESPECT YEAH. I, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO FOR ME, IF YOU HAVE, AND I THINK I MENTIONED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS, IF YOU HAVE, UH, LET'S SAY 20 HOMES BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES OF THE STREET, AND YOU HAVE 20 HOMES, AND ONE PERSON GOES IN THERE AND SAYS, I'M GONNA KNOCK THIS HOME AND I'M GONNA PUT THIS IN THERE. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OUT OF KEEPING WITH THE SCALE, ET CETERA, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT CAN BE USED AND PICKED UP. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A CITY ARCHITECT. SO I, I FEEL THAT THE SAFETY FACTORS, THE SAFETY NETS ARE THERE. OKAY. WE'LL BRING IT TO THIS SIDE. UH, GONZALO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I, I JUST, I JUST WANT SOME, UM, SOME CLARITY. I'M, I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. UH, SOME THINGS DON'T QUITE COME THROUGH TO MY MIND. BUT, UH, ON SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 1, ON THE DEFINITION OF FLAT ROOF, I SEE ON THE FOURTH LINE THAT COPPER METAL IS A METAL THAT COULD BE QUALIFIED ON THE FLAT ROOF. IT COULD BE APPLIED TO THE FLAT ROOF. AM I CORRECT? I'M READING THIS OR NOT. IF LINE NUMBER FOUR? YEAH. SECTION FIVE DASH 5 0 1. UM, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED FOR IN THIS SECTION, ALL ROOFS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES, OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS AND USES IN SPECIAL USE DISTRICTS SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OF TILE SLATE OR COPPER IN ITS NATURAL STATE AND ALLOWED TO OXIDIZE AND PATINA OR OTHER HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE CITY ARCHITECT. AND WHERE APPLICABLE, UH, THE FULL BOARD OF ARCHITECTS IS DETERMINED APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE BUILDING, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT, AND SOUND, STRUCTURAL PRINCIPLES. SO YEAH, THAT CAR COPPER COMPONENT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CODE. YES. SO YOU AGREE THAT MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT COPPER CAN BE USED IN FLAT ROOF. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT OR AM I MISREADING THIS? IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS TO, IT'S UNDERSTAND IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT FRONT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU, IN ORDER TO DO A COPY, YOU HAVE TO BE ON A SLOPE. SO IT, YOU ARE FORCED TO GO TO A SLOPE ROOF TO DO THAT. IT CANNOT BE ON A FLAT ROOF. I UNDERSTAND. BUT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S INCORPORATED IN THIS IS MISLEADING IN THE SENSE THAT IT DOES SHOW IT AS IF IT'S OKAY UNDER THE FLAT ROOF. FURTHERMORE, MR. SOUTHERN, THIS IS FOR ALL ROOFS. SO THIS IS THE GENERAL SECTION. THIS IS THE GENERAL COMPONENT. WELL, IF YOU READ THAT PARAGRAPH, UH, LIKE I DID A FEW TIMES, I THINK IT WAS MISLEADING. I THINK THE LANGUAGE COULD USE A LITTLE FINE TUNING. BUT MOVING ON, ON THE ISSUE OF STANDING SEAM METAL ON THE SLOPE ROOF STANDING SEAM METAL, I'M SURE THE ARCHITECTS HERE ON THE BOARD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T, I LIKE AN EXPLANATION DEFINITION OF WHAT A STANDING SEAM METAL IS [00:15:04] STANDING SEAM IS. IF YOU, IF YOU SEE NOW, UH, A METAL ROOF, INTER INTERLOCKING, INTERLOCKING, THERE'S ALWAYS LITTLE RIDGES IN THE ROOF. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE CONJOINING YEAH. TO HOLD 'EM TOGETHER. SO WHAT MATERIAL CAN THAT BE? METAL ROOFS IS VERY VAGUE BECAUSE YOU COULD DO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COPPER, IT COULD BE METAL, RIGHT. IT COULD BE ALUMINUM. ALUMINUM, IT COULD BE STAINLESS STEEL. IT COULD BE A BROAD, IT'S A BROAD DEFINITION. IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S IF I MAY, UH, CHAIR PLEASE. UH, THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT THE USE OF METAL ROOFS DOESN'T APPLY EVERYWHERE. IT'S PART, IT'S PART OF THE PALLET THAT YOU USE IN YOUR DESIGN ABILITY AS AN ARCHITECT. SO SOME CHARACTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, OF, OF ARCHITECTURE, UH, IF YOU'RE IN THE KEYS, UH, YOU WOULD USE THAT AND IT'S VERY PALATABLE AND IT HAS A HISTORY TO IT, AND IT'S USED WIDELY. BUT THE SLOPES OF THOSE ROOFS ARE NORMALLY MORE SUBSTANTIAL. NOT ONLY ONE SLOPE, SOMETIMES MULTIPLE SLOPES ARE USED IN THE SAME PLANE. SO IT'S USED TO EMBELLISH AND, AND REINFORCE THE CHARACTER OF THE TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE. IF YOU WOULD TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE NORTH, UH, BLESS THE NORTH GABLES AREA, UH, IN THE NORTH GABLES AREA, THE ARCHITECTURE, THE THE PROPERTIES ARE, ARE RELATIVELY SMALL. IF YOU START PUTTING IN METAL ROOFS THERE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH VERY SLIGHT, VERY SLIGHT SLOPES, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A TRAILER PARK. MM-HMM . IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE USE THAT WE WANT TO, TO USE THAT METAL ROOF, BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS. UH, AND, AND THOSE EXCEPTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND DESIGN. THAT MY, MY ONLY CONFUSION HERE, AND IT IS RELATING TO COPPER ROOF, WHERE IT SHOULD BE DEFINED AS ONLY APPLICABLE, WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT'S, UH, A PLUS OR A MINUS. I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT. AND THAT'S FOR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS SIDE. IT'S NOT FOR US AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S CONFUSING IN THE SENSE THAT COPPER ROOFS, AS IT'S WRITTEN FROM THIS PARAGRAPH, IT'S ALSO OKAY WITH FLAT ROOFS. AND THAT'S JUST THE TECHNICALITY OF IT. UH, MR. PARDO. RIGHT. WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY LEFT IT IN THERE, UH, FROM A GENERAL NOTE, BECAUSE IT, IT HISTORICALLY THE MATERIAL WAS, WAS PLACED THERE, SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T TRY TO PULL IT OUT TO CREATE CONFUSION WHERE IT COULDN'T BE THERE. AGREED. YEAH. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. NOT NO, NOTHING ELSE, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. I'LL KEEP IT, I'LL KEEP IT. BRIEF. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU MR. PARDO FOR THE WORK WITH CITY STAFF, GIVEN THE SAFEGUARDS YOU EXPLAINED. I'M, I'M IN FAVOR. SO, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S BRIEF CIO. I WAS HOPING I WAS LAST SO I COULD LISTEN TO EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT , UM, I AGREE WITH ALEX. I'M, I'M FINE. OKAY. ALICE, MS. BOB, UM, I, I THINK THE STAFF DID A GOOD JOB OF OPENING THE DOOR FOR THE USE OF MODERN MATERIALS AND PROVIDING AN ADEQUATE REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE COMPATIBLE. YES. I, I ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. THANK YOU, FELIX, FOR WORKING WITH STAFF. MUCH APPRECIATED. ONE THING DID JUMP OUT AT ME, UM, IN SECTION 5 0 5 0 3, SUBSECTION G ROOF ON ACCESSORY BUILDING SHALL CONFORM TO THE ROOF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING PROVIDED. AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SCRATCHED THROUGH BOMB SHELTER SHELTERS AND FALLOUT SHELTERS, CORRECT? YEAH. THAT, THAT WAS UPON THE REQUEST OF THE, THE CITY ARCHITECT, THE, UH, BOMB SHELTERS AND FALLOUT SHELTERS. SORRY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT BOMB SHELTERS CAN'T HAVE THE ROOFS ANYMORE? WELL, WHAT HE'S, WHAT JUST ROOFS ON ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHALL CONFORM TO THE ROOF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING PROVIDED, JUST KEEP IT SIMPLIFIED, UM, IN THE SENSE THAT ALL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHALL HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY WITH THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. UM, SHOULD YOU STRIKE THROUGH THE WORD PROVIDED AS WELL? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WE SHOULD, YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. NOTED. THAT'S IT. THAT, THANK YOU. I AM NOT REALLY IN FAVOR. [00:20:01] I THINK THERE WAS BEING TOO MANY, A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UH, FLEXIBILITY WAS TAKEN OUT. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND IN SOME AREAS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BENEFICIAL, BUT I THINK THIS IS CITYWIDE, EXCEPT YOU, YOU GAVE US SOME LOTS. ONE THROUGH 18, WHATEVER BLOCK, 88, 89, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONLY LOT THAT DO NOT GET AFFECTED FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I, UH, I THINK EVERY, EVERY CASE IS, IT'S DIFFERENT. AND YES, 19 54, 19 50 TO 1960, WE HAD A LOT OF RANCH STYLE HOMES BUILDING CORAL GABLES, UH, THAT ALL HAD FISH ROOFS. AND IF YOU REALLY GO BACK, THOSE HOUSES WERE INTENDED TO HAVE FLAT CEMENT TILES ON IT. AND THERE WAS A FAT DURING THE EIGHTIES WHERE THOSE ROOFS WERE BEING CHANGED TO BARE TILES TO MAKE THOSE HOUSES LOOK MORE SPANISH, MEDITERRANEAN, WHICH REALLY DID NOT QUALIFY FOR THAT. AND I THINK THAT, UM, 1950S WERE GOOD AT THE TIME. I THINK THAT 70 YEARS LATER, I THINK WE SHOULD NOT BE SO RESTRICTIVE. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS, BUT, UM, AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE BOARD DISCUSSION AND I'M GONNA OPEN UP FOR A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. I, I WANTED TO JUST ADD ONE THING. UM, STAFF SAID, UM, AND, OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY ARCHITECT AND OR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS. THAT IS CORRECT, BUT IT'S NOT WRITTEN LIKE THAT HERE. IT SAYS, OR, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT, MAKE SURE THAT CHANGE GETS MADE WHEN IT'S VOTED. IT SHOULD BE AT, IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULD BE, AND OR, YEAH. I, I THINK WE'RE ALSO REFERENCING THE FEBRUARY STAFF REPORT. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S ALSO NOTED AS WELL. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. NOTED. OPEN IT FATHER BO FOR ANY MOTION. I I, I, I FEEL ALMOST LIKE IT'S SELF INFLAMMATORY. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THE, THE, UH, FORM OF THE USE OF AN OR IS DISFAVORED. IT CAN BE ONE OR THE OTHER, OR BOTH. SO I, COULD I GO BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE LOOKING AT SO I CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE SUGGESTING THE AND SLASH OR IT GOES, BECAUSE WHENEVER WE COME ACROSS IT, IT'S BEEN CRITICIZED BY THE THIRD DISTRICT. COURT OF APPEAL IS NOT REALLY A WORD AND SLASH OR IS NOT A WORD. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE USUALLY, WE SAY ONE OR THE OTHER AS THE CONTEXT WILL SAY, OR IF YOU, OR IF YOU WANT BOTH TO BE INVOLVED AND YOU GO ONE A OR B, OR BOTH A AND B WHEN APPLICABLE OR WHERE APPLICABLE. YES, YOU COULD SAY IT THAT WAY. CHAIR, IF I MAY, GO AHEAD. UM, CRAIG, THE, THE REASON THE, AND OR IN THIS CASE IS BECAUSE THE CITY ARCHITECT IS ONE ENTITY AND THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS IS A SECOND ENTITY. CORRECT. SO, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, UH, THAT'S WHY THE, AND OR BECAUSE NORMALLY, NORMALLY, UM, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS MAKES A DECISION, BUT OVER THE PREVIOUS YEARS, THE CITY ARCHITECT ON ESPECIALLY SMALLER PROJECTS, CAN MAKE A DECISION, UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS. WELL THEN, OR WOULD BE THE PERFECT CONSTRUCT BECAUSE IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN A SMALL SCALE WHERE THE, WHERE THE ARCHITECT, UH, MAKES HIS OWN DECISION, THEN THAT'S IT. IF IT'S A SITUATION THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY IT, THEN IT'S, OR THE, OR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS. SO THE, THE WORD CORE WOULD BE THE RIGHT TERM TO USE. I FOLLOW YOUR THOUGHT. OKAY. FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, BY THE CITY ARCHITECT AND WHEN APPLICABLE, THE FULL WORD OF ARCHITECTS, THAT WORKS TOO. OKAY. AND WHEN APPLICABLE, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS. WE NEED TO VOTE ON, CORRECT. SO WE'RE GOING ON IT AS AMENDED. MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED BY MR. MENENDEZ. OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND, SIR. THE MOTION WAS MADE BY OUTBURST SECOND, ALEX BRAVO. I'M SORRY. ALEX CELO. YES. NESTOR MENENDEZ, [00:25:01] YES. FELIX PARDO. YES. GONZALES RIO. YES. AND PLEASE CLARIFY THAT LANGUAGE THAT WE DISCUSSED. THANK YOU. IGNACIO ALVAREZ. YES. ALICE PROB. YES. ROBERT BEHAR, NO. NEXT ITEM, E TWO IN ORDINANCE OF [E.-2. 26-1389 An Ordinance of the City Commission of Coral Gables, Florida, providing for text amendment to the City of Coral Gables Official Zoning Code by amending Article 16 “Definitions” to create a definition for Financial Institutions; amending Article 3, “Uses,” including Sections 3-100 “Uses,” 3-200 “Principal Uses,” 3-300 “Accessory Uses,” and Article 10, “Parking and Access,” Section 10-110 “Amount of Required Parking” to establish location, design and parking standards for financial institutions within certain overlay districts; providing for repealer provision, severability clause, codification, and providing for an effective date.] THE CITY OF COMMISSIONER OF CARL GABLES, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF CORAL GABLE'S OFFICIAL ZONING CODE BY AMENDING ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS TO CREATE DEFINITION FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. AMENDING ARTICLE THREE USES, INCLUDING SECTION THREE DASH 100 USES AND ACCESS, I'M SORRY, SECTION THREE DASH 100 USES THREE DASH 200 PRINCIPLE USES THREE DASH 300 ACCESSORY USES, AND ARTICLE 10, PARKING AND ACCESS SECTION 10 DASH ZERO AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKING, ESTABLISHED LOCATION DESIGN AND PARKING STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WITHIN CERTAIN OVERLAY DISTRICTS, PROVIDING REVIEW, PROVISION, CIVILITY, CLAUSE CONVOCATION, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE ITEM E TO PUBLIC HEARING. ALRIGHT, ON OUR SECOND ITEM, UH, OKAY, AGAIN, CRAIG SOUTHERN, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION. SO THIS ITEM, UM, AS WAS READ BY THE CITY ATTORNEY IS INITIATING ITS, WELL, IT'S ORIGINALLY INITIATED BY, UH, CITY STAFF, UH, CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE, AND CITY STAFF. UH, ZONING CODE TEXT AMENDMENT IS FOCUSED ON FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. SO THE REQUEST HAS THREE PRIMARY COMPONENTS. UH, WHEN YOU REFERENCE THE, THE STAFF REPORT INITIALLY, IT'S, UH, CREATING A CLEAR DEFINITION FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, DISTINGUISHING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS FROM RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES. SECONDLY, IT ESTABLISHES A VERY SPECIFIC LOCATION AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE USES WITHIN THE CITY'S PRIMARY, UH, GROUND FLOOR, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UH, UH, AREAS WITHIN, OVER THE SPECIFIED OVERLAY DISTRICTS. AND THIRD, IT INTRODUCES, UH, TARGETED INCENTIVES SUCH AS PARKING REDUCTIONS AND SIGNAGE FLEXIBILITY, UH, WHEN ACTIVE STREET FRONT USES ARE INCORPORATED. SO THIS AMENDMENT IS REALLY JUST ABOUT, UM, THE ALIGNMENT OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITHIN THE CITY. HERE. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE CITY HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INVESTMENTS AND STREETS SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE PUBLIC REALM, UH, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND, UH, THE LISTED MIXED USE CORRIDORS. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE OBSERVED THE TRADITIONAL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, WHILE THEY'RE IMPORTANT, UH, ECONOMIC USES, THEY TEND TO LOWER LEVELS OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY SPECIFICALLY AFTER CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME. UM, AND OUTSIDE OF THE STANDARD BUSINESS HOURS, WHEN THESE USES OCCUPY PROMINENT GROUND FLOOR CORNER LOCATIONS, THEY CAN UNINTENTIONALLY CREATE GAPS IN STREET LEVEL ACTIVITY AND WHAT WE OFTEN REFER TO AS INACTIVE FRONTAGES. SO THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THAT CONDITION IN A TARGETED AND BALANCED WAY. SO STAFF CONDUCTED A, A DATA ANALYSIS TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ARE, UH, APPROPRIATELY CALIBRATED TO A DEGREE. UM, WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT ALL THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY AS OF APRIL, 2026. SO THE ANALYSIS, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK INSIDE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, IDENTIFIED 74 TOTAL FINANCIAL SERVICE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY CITYWIDE, THAT'S 51 BANKS, AND THEN 23 OTHER FINANCIAL SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS. SO 46 OF THE 74 ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S, UH, SPECIFIED OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT ARE INTENDED WITHIN, UH, THE ACTIVATION STANDARDS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. UH, THIS IS BASICALLY JUST WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY IS A PRIMARY OBJECTIVE FOR THE CITY. 31 OF THE 74, UH, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OCCUPY GROUND FLOOR LOCATIONS, AND THEN ONLY NINE ARE LOCATED ON PRO PROMINENT CORNER FRONTAGES, PRIMARILY WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE THE GREATEST INFLUENCE ON PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE. SO STAFF IS SHOWN THAT THE DATA IS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A WIDESPREAD CONDITION, BUT TO A DEGREE IT'S OCCURRING IN THE CITY'S MOST VISIBLE AND PEDESTRIAN SENSITIVE AREAS. THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ARE DESIGNED TO RESPOND SPECIFICALLY TO THOSE CONDITIONS, WHILE RECOGNIZING [00:30:01] THAT ALL LEGALLY ESTABLISHED FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WILL BE ABLE TO REMAIN CONFORMING AND ARE NOT IMPACTED UNLESS THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT, A CHANGE OF USE, OR A SUBSTANTIAL FACADE, UH, MODIFICATION. SO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES AND WHAT IT DOES NOT DO, UH, THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT AFFECT EXISTING LEGALLY ESTABLISHED BANKS OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OR SERVICE USES, AND IT DOES NOT REDUCE OR RESTRICT UNDERLINING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, DENSITY OR INTENSITY. WHAT IT DOES IS BASIC PERFORMANCE ORIENTED STANDARDS FOR HOW THESE USES INTERACT WITHIN THE PUBLIC REALM, SPECIFICALLY WHEN THEY'RE LOCATED ON HIGH VISIBILITY, GROUND FLOOR, CORNER FRONTAGES. UH, THESE STANDARDS ARE TRIGGERED ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. ONCE AGAIN, NEW DEVELOPMENT, CHANGE OF USE, OR SUBSTANTIAL FACADE, UH, MODIFICATIONS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT RETROACTIVE. UM, BASICALLY THE KEY APPROACH IS ON CORNER LOTS, UM, OF PRIMARY PEDESTRIAN FRONTAGES. FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE REQUIRED TO INCORPORATE AN ACTIVE STREET FRONT USE, SUCH AS A CAFE, A RETAIL COMPONENT, OR A SIMILAR PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE USE THAT CREATES ACTIVATION. THESE USES MUST BE DIRECTLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE SIDEWALK, VISUALLY TRANSPARENT AND DESIGNED TO ENGAGE PEDESTRIANS. THE STANDARDS ARE FLEXIBLE IN HOW THEY CAN BE MET, EITHER THROUGH A PERCENTAGE OF FLOOR AREA OR DEFINED DEPTH ALONG THE FRONTAGE. ADDITIONALLY, FLEXIBILITY IS BUILT IN THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. BY THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. OFFICIAL INCENTIVES ARE ALSO PROVIDED, WHICH INCLUDE PARKING EXEMPTIONS AND ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES. SO FOR NON CORNER SITES, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE EVEN MORE MODEST. THEY'RE FOCUSED PRIMARILY JUST ON THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE ACCESS AND LIMITING INACTIVE FRONTAGES. SO THE STAFF HAS CONDUCTED A REVIEW OF COMPAR COMPARABLE, UH, FLORIDA MUNICIPALITIES, INCLUDING DELRAY BEACH, OAKLAND PARK, ORLANDO, JACKSONVILLE, TAMPA, MIAMI BEACH. MANY OF THESE JURISDICTIONS IMPOSE STRICTER REGULATIONS THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE, UH, RANGING FROM OUTRIGHT PROHIBITIONS ON PRIMARY FRONTAGES OR EVEN IN DOWNTOWN OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AS A STANDALONE PRINCIPLE, USE MAY NOT EVEN BE PERMITTED UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF ACCESSORY OR ACTIVE USE. SO THIS IS WHAT'S IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, NOT WHAT WE'RE, UH, REQUIRING. UM, BUT IN THAT CONTEXT, UH, CORAL GABLES IS MEASURED AND WE WANT TO BE CONTEXTUAL IN, IN OUR SENSITIVITY ABOUT ALLOWING, UH, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO OPERATE WHILE ENSURING THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT. SO FOR A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS REALLY SPECIFICALLY GROUNDED IN THE SPECIFIC OVERLAY DISTRICTS IS LISTED, UM, WHICH I CAN READ AND GET INTO, UH, LATER. BUT IT'S PRIMARILY, UM, THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, UH, EXISTING FRONTAGE AND TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS AND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES RELATED TO WALKABILITY, ECONOMIC VIABILITY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THE STANDARDS, THEY'RE NOT ARBITRARY. THEY'RE TIED DIRECTLY TO OUR URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS AND PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE ALREADY. AND PARTICULARLY IN AREAS WHERE THE CITY HAS PRIORITIZED, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. UM, INITIALLY THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, MAYBE A PRESCRIPTIVE NATURE. YET STAFF WOULD CHARACTERIZE THESE STANDARDS AS PERFORMANCE BASED AND PROPORTIONAL TO THE LOCATION, UH, WITHIN FRONTAGES CORNERS AND WITH ONLY, NOT, NOT CITYWIDE, BUT ONLY WITHIN THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS. SO THEY ARE APPLIED ONLY WITHIN THE TARGETED SPECIFIC OVERLAY DISTRICTS ON HIGH VISIBILITY, FRONTAGES PRIMARILY INVOLVING NEW DEVELOPMENT, CHANGE OF USE, SUBSTANTIAL FACADE, UH, MODIFICATIONS ON THE GROUND FLOOR. THERE IS ALSO BUILT-IN ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW OFFICIAL TO ADDRESS SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. SO RATHER THAN BEING RIGID, THE FRAMEWORK IS STRUCTURED TO BE ADAPTABLE. UM, SO IN, IN CLOSING, THE, THE TEXT AMENDMENT DOES ENSURE THAT GROUND FLOOR USES, REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE, CONTRIBUTE [00:35:01] TO THE VIABILITY OF THE PUBLIC REALM WITHIN THE CITY'S PRIMARY PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS, IT REGULATES THE INTERFACE BETWEEN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PUBLIC REALM CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S LONG ESTABLISHED AUTHORITY TO SHAPE HOW GROUND FLOOR USES ENGAGE WITH THE STREET, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS WHERE WALKABILITY, ECONOMIC VI VITALITY ARE THE KEY OBJECTIVES. SO THE TEXT AMENDMENT BALANCES ECONOMIC FUNCTIONALITY WITH URBAN DESIGN EXPECTATIONS, PROTECTS EXISTING BUSINESSES, AND REFLECTS BOTH LOCAL CONDITIONS AND ESTABLISHED BEST PRACTICES ACROSS COMPARABLE, UH, MUNICIPALITIES. SO BASED ON THE FINDINGS, STAFF HAS, UH, PROPOSED THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE THANK YOU. I GOT A, I WANT A CLARIFICATION. AND MR. COLER, YOU COULD, YOU COULD HELP ON THIS. YOU STATED THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S PERMITTED BY CODE IN SOME MUNICIPALITY, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT ON STOREFRONTS, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALLOWED BY CODE. I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD IMPOSE YOU THE CODE MAY ALLOW IT, AND THEN YOU COULD SAY, NO, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT. SO THERE ARE EXISTING MUNICIPALITIES IN FLORIDA THAT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, IN THE DOWNTOWN OF OAKLAND PARK AS A PRIMARY USE, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE NOT PERMITTED UNLESS THEY'RE AN ACCESSORY TO A DIFFERENT ACTIVE PRIMARY USE. SAME THING IN DELRAY BEACH AND THEIR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO, SO BY, YOU'RE CREATING A HARDSHIP TO A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION TO TRY TO BRING, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE I USED TO BE INVOLVED WITH A BANK, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH PONDS CORRIDOR, ON THE, THE OLD APOLLO BANK, IT WAS HARD ENOUGH TO RUN A BANK TO NOW TO TRY TO PUT AN ACCESSORY, A CA, A CAFE, SOMETHING IN, IN, IN, IN, IN THAT BUSINESS. IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE CREATING, YOU KNOW, CITY ATTORNEY HARDSHIP TO SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES. COULD I WELL, OH, I DO. YOU WISH ME RECOGNIZED OR YOU HAVE ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER THAT WISHES AHEAD BE RECOGNIZED? SO I WOULD YIELD TO HER GOODBYE. I, I THINK THIS ITEM IS VERY TIMELY. ABOUT A WEEK AGO, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE MIAMI HERALD, AND IT WAS COMMENTING ON THE STATE OF AFFAIRS ON, ON MIRACLE MILE AND WHY THERE WERE SOME VACANCIES. AND, AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A COMMENT THAT, THAT THESE BANKS CREATE THESE BLANK SPOTS THAT, THAT AFFECT THE, THE CORRIDOR OVERALL. SO I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GREAT PROPOSAL AND WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF BANKS OPENING UP, SO IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP. UM, BUT, BUT THIS IS GONNA HELP MAYBE ELEVATE RETAIL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T. THIS, I, I JUST WANTED TO A CLARIFICATION. LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH, I DO WANNA RESPOND THOUGH TO YOUR QUESTION IN THAT, UM, THIS ITEM DOES GRANDFATHER IN ALL EXISTING BANKS, SO EXISTING BANKS WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO, UH, PROVIDE AN, A CAFE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE AN ACTIVE USE FOR MORE THAN JUST BANKING HOURS. I, I GUESS THIS IS INTENDED TO GO AFTER HOURS TO MAKE SURE IF YOU ARE, YOU'RE A MIRACLE MILE, YOU OPEN, YOU KNOW, TO NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, YOU HAVE ACTIVATION AND THE BANK WAS NOT GONNA STAY OPEN TO THOSE HOURS, I GUESS SO. WELL, I, I'VE SEEN BANKS THAT ACTUALLY DO HAVE NOT, I JUST KNOW THERE WAS ONE ON, ON MIAMI BEACH, WHICH HA, I BELIEVE IS A, A CAPITAL ONE, I THINK CAFE, AND I DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE SOME EXTENDED BANKING HOURS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULLY WHAT THE CAFE IS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FULLY WHAT THE CAFE IS, BUT I DO KNOW THEY DO HAVE, UH, BUT THIS IS A POLICY ISSUE THAT'S, THAT THE STAFF IS PRESENTING TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, AND WEIGHING THE VARIOUS COMPETING INTERESTS. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE HERE TO MAKE A DECISION BEFORE I OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU MS. COLLEY. BEFORE I OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY OTHER QUESTION? CLARIFICATION? YES. YOU WANNA HAVE FROM STATS? GO AHEAD, MS. YES, MR. SOUTHERN, ON YOUR [00:40:01] STATS THAT YOU HAVE. YES, SIR. WE HAVE 29, 26, AND EIGHT ON THE ONES THAT ARE 29 SITES, AND THEY'RE LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH I, I AM GUESSING IS THE CBD DISTRICT IN A WAY, CORRECT? NO, IT'S, IT'S ALL THREE DISTRICTS. IT'S THE NORTH TS MIXED USE DISTRICT, UH, CENTRAL, UH, BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND THEN OUR, UH, DESIGN DISTRICT. OKAY. THAT, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT THE ACTIVATION STANDARDS ARE RELATED TO ONLY NO OTHER PORTION OF THE CITY. NOW, PLEASE TELL ME HOW MANY ARE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AT THIS TIME? OKAY. HOW MANY? SO AS, AS WE HAVE IT IN THE ANALYSIS OF THE 51 ACTIVE BANKS CITYWIDE, WE ONLY HAVE, UH, SEVEN THAT ARE ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SEVEN. OKAY. FOLLOWING UP ON THAT STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE, HOW MANY OF THOSE BANKS ARE CORNER SITES? I NOW YOU SAID OVERSIGHT CORNER CORNER SITES. CORNER SITES, YEAH. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SEVEN. THE GROUND FLOOR CORNERS ARE THE SEVEN. OKAY. NOW YOU SAYING HERE IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR EXPLANATION THAT 75 FEET FRONTAGE ON THE STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE RETAIL STREET? SO IN OTHER WORDS, A BANK WANTS TO LOCATE SOMEWHERE IN A ONE OF THESE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. IT WOULD HAVE, THEY CANNOT IN PLACE 175 FEET, FEET FRONT, SO THAT, THAT 75 FEET IS NOT WITHIN OUR CODE. THAT'S ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT'S IN DEL REY RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S NOT DISCUSSED DESIGN IN DEL RAY RIGHT NOW. C SECTION. SO IT SAYS FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS BROKER FIRMS, MANAGEMENT FIRMS, THEY'RE PROHIBITED, BUT BANKS AND SAVINGS AND LOANS ARE RESTRICTED IN TERMS OF FRENCH WITH NO MORE THAN 75 FEET ALONG TO PREVENT INACTIVE ZONES. SO ACT THREES ARE MAINTAINED TO OR MANDATED MAINTAIN PEDESTRIAN ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT CONTINUITY GROUND FOR, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING POLICING? THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM ANOTHER. SO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PART OF THE UNDERLINED PORTION OF THE THESE, UH, OUT UNITS THAT OPERATING, WHICH ONES THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE, ARE OWNED BY SIMPLE DEED, HOW MANY UNDERGROUND LEASE, HOW MANY ARE 10? DO YOU KNOW? DO YOU HAVE THAT VICTIM? I SURE FIND IT, BUT THAT'S MOMENT YOU DO NOT HAVE IT. OKAY. MR. I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS. NEED SOME CLARIFICATION? I THINK IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING AND THE PART IT NEEDS TO BE, I WOULD PREFER, AGAIN, LEMME CLOSE ANY CLARIFICATION? NOT I GET YOU NEED A CLARIFICATION? I DO NEED A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE'RE, ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE I'M VERY CONFUSED WITH IS THE, UH, UM, THE DRIVE-THROUGHS, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS, CERTAIN CORRIDORS THAT DRIVE THROUGHS ARE PROHIBITED SUCH, AND MONT, THERE'S NO MENTION OF BEATING THAT PRESERVATION IS BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICT, OBVIOUSLY WITH . SO I I I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE SURE, I WOULD WANT STAFF TO MAKE SURE AND, AND LOOKING AT THIS CAREFULLY, THAT THOSE AREAS ARE STILL OBSERVED THAT WAY IN THAT DRUGS CANNOT COME OUT, UH, OR GO THROUGH THAT AREA. YOU HAVE A DIRECT, BUT I DON'T THINK, AND, AND YOU COULD CLARIFY, DON'T THINK THAT BE HERE BECAUSE ON AMERICAN MILE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A . I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING BACK SAYING WE'RE REINFORCING THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE IT IN OTHERS. THAT IT'S PROHIBITED ON THOSE , I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER STREETS, IT SHOULD BE PROHIBITED SINCE MANY OF THESE AREAS ALREADY DESIGNED AND BUILT AND THE THING YOU'RE DOING NOW IS TAKING THAT AND PLACING IT ON THE LEVEL AND YOU'RE FACILITATING DRIVE-THROUGH FOR IT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, PUT AN ON THAT SO THE STAFF CAN HELP PLAYER. IF I HOPEFULLY, UM, IF YOU TURN, FORGIVE ME, TURN TO PAGE EIGHT OF THE SNAP REPORT. UM, YOUR SECTION THREE DASH 300 ACCESSORY USES, RIGHT? UH, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, SECTION THREE DASH THREE 12 DRIVE-THROUGHS, UM, ALL DRIVE-THROUGHS MUST BE REVIEWED AS A CONDITIONAL USE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WITHIN THAT SECTION. SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING INTO THAT COMPONENT WHATSOEVER. WE'RE NOT TOUCHING IT, WE'RE LETTING IT BE JUST AS IT IS. ANY DRIVE AFTER THAT IS REQUESTED WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS NO MATTER WHERE IT'S IN THE CITY. MS. FAIR, THAT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE PROHIBITION EXISTS NOW ON THOSE TWO COURTS. ONE IS PROHIBIT YOU. I'M SAYING YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN THIS THE SAME. YES. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. I KNOW ONE CASE ON PONDS WHERE DRIVE THROUGH EXITING ONLY WAS BASED THERE, IT WENT THROUGH A FULL BLOWN BOTHERING ALL THE WAY TO THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEONE WITH A MAGIC, MAGIC ONE, BUT I THINK THIS IS INTENDED TO NOT MATTER MATCHING THAT SECTION OF THE CODE OF THE BLACK THROUGH. CORRECT. THIS IS MAINLY FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN, THE ACTIVITY TO OR TO MANDATE THAT, THAT A BRANCH INSTITUTION INCORPORATE A DIFFERENT USE TO KEEP THE ACTIVATION THROUGH NIGHTTIME OR EVEN PEDESTRIAN. YEAH. WITH THE ACTIVATION TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS AS PART CONCERN. WE'RE NOT DOING TOUCHING. THIS DOES NOT TOUCH ANYTHING PERTAINING TO DRIVE PROHIBIT OR AMERICA MILE OR ON SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT [00:45:01] SECTION. CORRECT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING DRIVE THROUGH AT ALL. THIS IS JUST THE ACTIVATION STANDARDS WITHIN THOSE LOCAL, THE INITIAL COMPONENT WERE THE RETAIL SERVICE DEFINITION IN THE CODE. WE'RE TAKING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OUT, WE'RE GIVING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ITS OWN DEFINITION NOW. OKAY, SO IF I'M UNDER STANDING THIS CORRECTLY, LET'S SAY YOU'RE ON A CORNER, YOU WANNA OPEN UP A BANK, NOW YOU HAVE TO MAKE LIKE A CAPITAL ONE TYPE OF CAFE STYLE BANK TO PROMOTE PEOPLE WALKING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CAFE. OKAY? BUT IT DOES HAVE TO BE SILENT. AND, UH, IF WE CAN GO TO WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE OR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. YES, YES. MY QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS? I WANNA OPEN UP BECAUSE ON THAT CORNER OF MY HOURS IN NINE TO FIVE, AM WE REQUIRED TO DO THE SAME THING? ? THIS IS JUST FOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AT THE MOMENT. YEAH, BUT POINT A POINT, A GOOD POINT. LET ME CLARIFY. OFFICES, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DEPENDING ON FOOT TRAFFIC AT YEAH. BUT HERE IS TRYING TO PROMOTE FOOT TRAFFIC ON MIRACLE MILE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO BANK, 90% OF THE USES ON MIRACLE MILE, UH, THAT NEED TO BE OF RETAIL SIX MONTHS PATIENT, ARE BANKS ON NUMBERS THEY HAVE TO DO SAME THING. THIS IS, THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW PROPOSALS. SUBSTANTIAL. WELL, THEY'RE NOT A BANK, SO IT'S A NEW PUBLIC. DO THEY DON'T HAVE TO OPEN A NORTH POND? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE A MIRACLE MILE 90% HAVE TO BE OF A RETAIL NATURE. MY QUESTION, OKAY. NORTH TO HIS POINT, WANTS OPEN MIRACLE MILE. OKAY, LET'S, INSIDE THE NORTH POND MAKES DISTRICT IS WHAT OUTSIDE BUSINESS. BUT IF I WANNA OPEN UP ANY OTHER BUSINESS, IF A BANK, YOU HAVE TO OPEN UP SOMETHING, IF IT'S NONBANK, DOESN'T MATTER, DON'T GET IT. THAT THAT THING IS GROUND FLOOR USE SYSTEM. THAT'S WHERE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS ARE ABOUT THAT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. IF IT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR ABOVE WITH YOU PERMITTED USE GROUND SPECIFICALLY PHASE TO PROMOTE THE ACTIVATION. OKAY? IF YOU WANNA DO AN OFFICE, LIKE YOU SAY, HE CANNOT YOU AN OFFICE, YOU'RE JUST GONNA DO A BANK WITHIN IN SPACE, RIGHT? IF YOU A BANK, YOU GONNA SAY YOU NEED PEDESTRIANS, MOST PEDESTRIAN, BUT A NONBANK YOU DON'T. SO WHAT THE PURPOSE, PURPOSE IS PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY ON STREET TO FOLLOW BANK, AND THEN YOU TRY TO, YOU'RE, YOU OPEN UP TO MANY OF THESE BE PROBLEM. SO JUST A FOLLOW UP ON IGNACIO'S POINT IS DO WE DO THIS WITH OTHER INSTITUTIONS? WE'RE DOING IT WITH FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. NOW, IS THERE ANYTHING SIMILAR THAT WE, THAT WE PUT THIS ON THE BUSINESS OFFICES CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW ON MIRACLE MILE OFFICES MEAN YOU'RE SAYING FINANCIAL, DO WE DO THIS WITH ATTORNEY OFFICE TO WE DO THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, ANY OFFICE RIGHT NOW WOULD, AS LONG AS 90% OF WHAT WE HAVE ON EXAMPLE FOR CERTIFICATE ABUSE APPLICATION S WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND BE LIKE, FORTUNATELY BE WITH THAT LOCATION. IN THE SENSE OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON CORNERS AND CORNER ACTIVATIONS, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST KIND OF THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE PEDESTRIAN, UH, ORIENTATION ON CORNERS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A COUPLE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT NOW THAT THEY ARE INACTIVE. AND THAT'S THE HOPE IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACTIVATE, UH, THESE DISTRICT, RIGHT? BUT SO NUMBER ONE COULD BE AN BE THAT BANKS WILL SHY AWAY FROM CORNER, UM, LOCATIONS, AND NUMBER TWO WAS GOING OUT OF A BANK AND ACTIVATION LIKE TOGETHER. BECAUSE WHEN I THINK BANKS, I DON'T REALLY THINK ACTIVATION, I DON'T, I THINK BANK HOURS, I DON'T THINK PROMOTE COMMERCE OR STREET TRAFFIC. I I JUST THINK IT'S A BANK. I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS TRYING TO ELIMINATE DEBT BASES. BUT I MEAN, I JUST, I THINK IT'S NUMBER ONE, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ARE FUND, I GUESS I SEE. BECAUSE THEY DO TAKE OUR PRIME LOCATIONS. UM, BUT I SEE WE SHOULD START WITH BANKS THAT AGAIN. WELL, SO JUST TO REITERATE RIGHT NOW, RETAIL AS SIGNED AND, UH, DEFINITION FOR RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES AS PRIMARY USE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN THERE. SO PREVIOUSLY THEY WOULD BE PERMIT. CURRENTLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE PERMITTED, BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS AS WE HAVE A, SOME GROCERY STORES, PERSONAL SERVICES, ART GALLERIES, ET CETERA, A LOT OF THESE OTHER THINGS, THEY HAVE LONGER HOURS TO CREATE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S TOTALLY THE, THE HOPE OF THIS, AND I THINK YOU'RE PRESENTING THIS TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AND THE ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IS THERE CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT COMPETE FOR THE AREAS WHERE THEY DEPEND ON FOOT AND IT'S NOT LAW FIRMS, IT'S NOT OFFICES BECAUSE THEY FIND REAL ESTATE AND NOT TAKE UP THE SPACE. SO THE ISSUE IS FINDING THAT BALANCE CARE IS ACTIVATED AND THE MAIN COMPETITOR, THE ACTIVE, ARE ACTIVE BASIS, WHICH HAVE TO BE BANKS. AND THAT'S WHY YOU PRESENT THIS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADD THESE INCENTIVES AS WELL. AND IT'S 25%. UM, IF, IF STAFF CAN STANDARDS PROPOSED. FELIX, YOU HAVE COMMENT? YES. UM, BASED ON ALICE'S, UH, COMMENT OF THE MIAMI HERALD ARTICLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WRONG WITH MIRACLE MILE? UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE, FIRST OF ALL, THE NORMAL DEPTH IS SOMEWHERE FROM 70 TO 80 FEET AS FAR AS DEPTH OF THE, UH, OF THE LC SETS BASED MIRACLE MILE. SO THAT PROVIDE A TREMENDOUS DEPTH THAT THERE'S NO WAY BASED ON THAT THEY CAN, UM, THERE. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A RETAIL STORE, LET'S SAY, UH, FOR ACTIVATION ON MARIJUANA. SO IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE THIS, UM, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION AND YOU TAKE IT BACK TWO THIRDS, LET'S SAY, AND THEN YOU FRONT AS A RETAIL, BASICALLY, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS, UH, KEEP THE ACTIVATION WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, UH, USES FOR DETAIL WHERE YOU'D ACTIVATE SETTING IS THAT OVER TIME WE USED TO HAVE RESTAURANT ROW IN PARTICULAR STREET AND IT WAS ALL RESTAURANTS, VERY GOOD RESTAURANTS. NOW WE HAVE, UH, NEW RESTAURANT ROW, EXCEPT THAT NOW YOU SEE THE EFFECT OF, UH, OTHER FORCES THAT HAVE, UH, BROUGHT A LOT OF THESE, UH, RESTAURANTS, INCLUDING CHAIN RESTAURANTS ARE FINANCIALLY VERY WELL, UH, [00:50:01] THEIR NEEDS. SO YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF VACANCIES THERE. WE HAVE, I THINK AN AUTO DEALERSHIP NOW ON MERRI MILE WHEN YOU, AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT REALLY IS AMAZING IF YOU WALK MIRACLE MILE WE, I HAVE IS THAT, UH, SOME OF THESE STORES ARE HOME. THERE'S NO FOOT TRAFFIC, UH, COMPONENT THERE. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S BECOME AN ISSUE THAT FOR MANY YEARS, INCLUDING IT AND, AND MANY, UH, UH, PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU LOSE DIVERSITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE FROM A RESTAURANT STANDPOINT. SO I THINK THAT SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS TO BE ABLE TO CHIP AWAY OF THE DEPTH OF REAL ESTATE TO BE ABLE THEN TO MAKE IT A MORE ECONOMIC ACCESSIBLE, UH, AND VALUABLE THING TO, UM, UH, TO OTHER USES. BUT, AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU WANNA, IF YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO ACTIVATE IT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA ONLY, YOU KNOW, BRING IN OR OR, OR PROMOTE TO BRING RESTAURANTS. BECAUSE I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IN 2003 OR SO ON PONDS OF AMERICA MILE, I, I, I DID BOTH CORNERS. I DID ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER, I DID THE EINSTEIN BAGELS AND THE STARBUCKS, OKAY? I REMEMBER HAVING TO DO A CUTOUT BECAUSE AT THE TIME, ME MILE DID NOT ALLOW OUTDOOR SITTING. SO IF YOU KNOW THAT I HAD TO CUT OUT AN AREA 25 BY 25 TO HAVE OUTDOOR SITTING WITHIN THE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WE DID, UH, I DID, UH, AIRE ROSE, AIRE ROSE USED TO BE A VERY NICE FURNITURE STORE, BUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WAS FROM 10 TO SIX. SO NO MATTER WHAT, YOU HAD A A RETAIL BUSINESS THAT A SIX O'CLOCK STOPPED. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POINT? UNLESS YOU, YOU BRING IN RESTAURANTS THAT IS ARE THE ONLY, THE ONLY THINGS THAT'S GONNA STAY OR, OR FOR THE MOST PART, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA STAY OPEN LATE, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM TO ME ON THE BANKS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. AND CAPITAL ONE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. YES, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S A PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO SECURITY ALSO FOR THOSE BANKS TO HAVE A SEPARATE BUSINESS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD BE COMING IN. UM, I, I THINK IF YOU ARE GONNA PROMOTE ACTIVATION, IT, YOU KNOW, IT CANNOT BE LIMITED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, EXCLUDE THE BANKS ONE USE. I, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE MR. PARDO, IF YOU ALLOW ME, WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD A, A NEW STOREFRONT BANK BECOME A STOREFRONT BANK WHEN YOU GOT THESE, UH, GRANDFATHERED IN BANKS THAT ARE SITTING ON CORNERS AROUND THE AREA? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY ECONOMIC SENSE AT ALL FOR THE BANKS THEMSELVES. WHY WOULD BANK STOREFRONT BANK BE LIMITED TO 75 FOOT WIDTH FRONTAGE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DELRAY BEACH HAS, UH, REQUIRED 75 FEET FRONTAGE OF STOREFRONT. SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? A HUNDRED? WHETHER THEY WANT 125. SO WE'RE GONNA EMULATE DELRAY BEACH BECAUSE IT'S 75. I MEAN, THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THAT, NO, IT'S ONLY INFORMATIONAL POINT, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WHAT, WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A STOREFRONT BANK CREATING ACTIVITY? THE ANSWER IS ZERO. THEY DON'T CREATE ACTIVITY. I MEAN, THEY HAVE A WALK-IN CUSTOMER BASE, THAT'S FINE, BUT THEY DON'T CREATE ANY RETAIL ACTIVITY. THEY DON'T, I MEAN, THEY CLOSE, LIKE, UH, MR. BEHAR SAID, AND MR. PARDO AND ALL THE OTHERS, THEY CLOSE TO SICK ON ALL THESE HOLIDAYS WHEN THE LEGAL HOLIDAYS OR WHATEVER HOLIDAYS THEY ARE, THEY CLOSE UP, THEY DON'T OPERATE AND THEY'LL OPEN. SO IT'S A LIMITED OFFERING TO THE CUSTOMER BASE AND TAKING A VERY VALUABLE FRONT AND A VERY VALUABLE AREA. MIRACLE MILE. REALLY, THE MORE I READ ABOUT THIS, UH, THE MORE LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION. YES. THE, THE CAR DEALERSHIP THAT IS ON MIRACLE MILE, OKAY, AFTER 6:00 PM IS IT OPEN? NO. SO THEY'RE TAKING VALUABLE SPACE. THE ONLY THING THAT IS NOT GONNA TAKE VALUE OF SPACE IS A RESTAURANT. EXACTLY. SO CAN WE HAVE EVERYTHING? EXACTLY. IT DOESN'T OPEN TO A CERTAIN TIME. IT'S BY APPOINTMENT ONLY BY APPOINTMENT, SO, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S PROBABLY CLOSED ON SUNDAYS AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, YEAH. SORRY. ARE THE, IS THERE ANY, UH, THING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT THE, THE SPACE HAS TO BE OPEN FOR THE CAFE IF THEY SHARE SPACE WITH THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION? I, WE KEEP SAYING THE CAPITAL ONE CAFE, BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. UM, THEY TEND TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MARKET TO A YOUNGER, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC. AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM, UM, TO HAVE THAT, THAT'S THEIR NICHE. UM, I DON'T SEE NORTHERN TRUST DOING THE SAME THING. NO, UH, SO, AND I DON'T, AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD MAKE THEM, IF NORTHERN TRUST WANTS TO GO AND OPEN [00:55:01] UP A BRANCH ON THE CORNER OF TSON MIRACLE MILE, UH, WHERE TD BANK IS, AND THEY GO IN AND THEY'RE THE NEW TENANT, UM, ARE WE GONNA FORCE THEM TO USE, UH, 50% OR 25% OR A SPACE TO HAVE A CAFE? CAN IT BE AN UPSCALE CAFE? CAN IT BE LIKE A SEVEN 11? LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? I I JUST THINK IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A BIT INTRUSIVE ON THE, ON THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO PUT THIS ONUS ON THEM TO CREATE FOOT TRAFFIC OR COMMERCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY SHOULD BE PROMOTING, MAYBE GIVING BETTER, UH, INCENTIVES TO RESTAURANTS TO USE THAT SPACE. SO THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS. BUT THEY COULD ALSO CARVE OUT A SHALLOW FRONTAGE LINER AND SUBLEASE THAT OUT TO SOMEONE ELSE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR SPACE TO A CAFE. THAT, THAT, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT THAT'S HARD TO REALLY ACCOMPLISH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I'M GONNA DO A CAFE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED BACK OF HOUSE SERVICE AND EVERYTHING TO THROW THAT THROUGH THE BACK TO THE BANK THAT IS DICTATING WHAT'S, WHAT, CARVING OUT A FRONTAGE AND YOU LEASE THAT TO A CLOTHING STORE OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MORE ACTIVE. WHO GETS TO DIC DICTATE A CLOSING STORE AT SIX O'CLOCK INSTEAD TOO? WHO GETS TO DICTATE WHO THE CAFE SPACE IS LEASED TO? DOES THE BANK OR DOES IT THE, I MEAN, IF THE, I I GUESS IF THE BANK OWNS THE PROPERTY, THEN THEY DO, SOMETIMES THERE ARE SHARED SPACES AND SOME NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT LET'S SAY THE BANK WE HAVE AGAIN, AND I DEFAULT TO LIKE THE NORTHERN, NORTHERN, UH, PRIVATE BANKING INSTITUTION, UM, THAT MIGHT NOT WANT, YOU KNOW, UH, A, A CERTAIN RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR TO THEIR BANK AND THEY CHOSE, I MEAN, I JUST THINK THERE THE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A POSSIBILITY TO DRIVE BANKS AWAY FROM THESE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO JUST BUY IT A BLOCK OR TWO BLOCKS AWAY OUTSIDE OF THE DI THESE DISTRICTS AND SET IT UP THERE AND THEN THE SPACE IS GONNA SIT EMPTY. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A, IN, IN THEORY, IT'S A LOVELY IDEA AND I'M ALL FOR COMMERCE IN MAKING THE FOOT TRAFFIC. I JUST DON'T LIKE HAVING TO TELL THESE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS WHAT TO DO AND, AND AGAIN, WHO'S GOING TO CHOOSE WHAT CAFE GOES THERE? SO LET ME DO SOMETHING. LET ME, LET ME, WE HAD ENOUGH FOR NOW. ONE MORE CLARIFICATION. OKAY, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. ONE MORE CLARIFICATION. I AGREE WITH, UH, NESTOR, BUT WHAT THESE, THESE, WE CALL IT CAFE, BUT IS THERE A LIMIT WHERE THEY CAN OPEN UP THERE? IS THERE THEY CAN OPEN UP ANYTHING, THEY JUST CREATE, CREATES PEDESTRIAN WALK. WHAT UH, SO WE, WE HAVE A DEFINITION THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR, UH, IF YOU GUYS JUST TURN TO THE FRONT, HOLD ON OF WHERE THE ORDINANCE WOULD START. UM, THAT WOULD BE PAGE FOUR DEFINITIONS. SO NEWLY PROPOSED DEFINITION, UH, ACTIVE STREET FRONT USE MEANS GROUND FOR USE, WHETHER A PRINCIPLE OR ACCESSORY THAT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND GENERATES FREQUENT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. VISUAL INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC REALM, TRANSPARENT STOREFRONT DESIGN, DIRECT SIDE WALK, ACCESS AND ACTIVE CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT. ACTIVE STREET FRONT USES INCLUDE RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES, RESTAURANTS, CAFES, FOOD SERVICES, MENTS, ENTERTAINMENT VENUES, CULTURAL FACILITIES, FITNESS STUDIOS, GALLERIES, PERSONAL SERVICES, WHICH WE ALSO HAVE A NEW DEFINITION FOR AS WELL. AND SIMILAR PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE USES. UH, THESE USES THAT ARE LOCATED ON CORNER LOTS MAY BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL ACTIV STANDARDS, WHICH IS THE OTHER ITEM WE CAN GO OVER AS IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO, TO ENSURE CONTINUOUS, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, UH, ALONG BOTH STREET FRONTAGES SUCH AS ACTIVE USES ALONG BOTH FRONTAGES ONE CORNERS LOCATING ENTRANCES ON THE NEAR ON OR NEAR THE CORNER, PROVIDING MORE THAN ONE PUBLIC ENTRANCE TO ADDRESS EACH STREET FRONT AND INCREASING THE STREET FRONT TRANSPARENCY ALONG BOTH THE SIDES AND LIMITING BLANK WALLS AND NON-TRANSPARENT, UH, FRONTING, UH, FACING EITHER STREET THAT THAT'S IN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO. CORRECT. SO IT COULD BE A TATTOO PAR LIMITING BLANK WALLS OR NONT DIFFERENT HOW, HOW YOU DEFINE, YEAH, I MEAN HOW DO YOU DEFINE PERSONAL SERVICES AND SIMILAR PUBLICLY. YEAH, THIS IS TOO ACCESSIBLE USERS IF YOU HAVE STOREFRONT IS YOU'RE NOT CREATING, LEMME DO SOMETHING ISSUE FOR PERSONAL SERVICES. LET ME OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND NO, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE SECOND BITE TO THE APPLE HERE. UM, LET ME OPEN STAFF IS JUST TRYING TO ASSIST WITH CREATING SOME KIND OF PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATION. I HEAR YOU, BUT I, THIS NEEDS A LOT MORE WORK. LET, LET'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR SURE. JILL, DO WE HAVE ANY THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE NEED YOU GUYS. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN THIS? YES WE DO. MARIO GARCIA, MR. SARAH, COME ON OUT. PLEASE WELCOME. I MEAN YOU COULD, YOU KNOW. GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIR ON THE BOARD. MARIO GARCIA WITH OFFICES AT 600 BRICKELL AVENUE AND ALSO 9 0 1 ELLI LEON BOULEVARD HERE TODAY REPRESENTING PNC BANK. YOU'RE SURE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE LARGE COMMUNITY BANK. PNC BANK RIGHT NOW IS UNDER LEASE, UH, FOR THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 42 31. [01:00:01] SO LAJEUNE, THAT'S A BUILDING THAT SOME OF YOU REMEMBER. THE LAST USE OF IT WAS PIZZA RESTAURANT PIZZERIA THERE LONG JUNE BEFORE THAT. OTHER RESTAURANTS, INCLUDING I THINK PEOPLE FAR BACK ENOUGH A , THAT SPACE, THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN EMPTY NOW SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE, 10 YEARS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY DEAD. NOTHING GOING ON THERE. WE NOW HAVE A BANK THERE, BUT WITH THE PROSPECT OF 25% OF THAT SPACE WITHIN THAT BUILDING, HAVING TO BE DEDICATED TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BANKING IT FULL PROPOSAL. AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS NOT A BUILDING THAT HAS ANY OCCUPANCY. IT IS A DEAD BED SPACE. THERE'S BEEN NOTHING IN THAT BUILDING FOR MANY YEARS. WE FINALLY HAVE POTENTIALLY A NEW TENANT THERE TO BRING LIFE AND ACTIVITY TO THAT AREA OF THE CITY. AND NOW IT'S FACING AN ORDINANCE FOR BY 25% OF THE SPACE, 3000 SQUARE SPACE THAT EQUATES TO 800 SQUARE FEET WOULD HAVE TO BE DEDICATED TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BANKING, WHICH IS THEIR MAIN BUSINESS. AND THEY NOT FOLLOW ANY MODEL OF INCORPORATING CAFES AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO ASIDE FROM THE IMPACT ON SPACE, THINK OF THE IMPACT ON OPERATIONS, HOW TO BALANCE THE NEED FOR FOOD SERVICE OR ENTERTAINMENT OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE WITH WHAT THEIR MAIN FUNCTION IS WITH BANKING. FINANCIAL SERVICES. THINK OF THE IMPACT ON EXPERIENCE FOR THEIR CLIENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HIGH-END GIBRALTAR BANK, NAVY OR NORTH TRUST BANK AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT SORT OF DISCREET EXPERIENCE HAS TO BALANCE WITH A ROOM FULL OF MOST OF THE PLUG THAT ARE THERE. IT REALLY BE IN THE CASE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IN THIS PART OF THE CITY WHERE THIS IS STILL APPLICABLE. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT MERRI MODEL. THIS IS ALSO APPLICABLE TO NEW CITIES. MANY OTHER CITY IN NORTH LAWNS AREA DESIGNED THIS STRIP AROUND THE V MERRI PARK WHERE THIS IS LOCATED. IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING. IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING, AND I DON'T SEE ANY PARTICULAR PUBLIC BET FOR THIS AREA OF THE CITY. NOW, CONTRARY, AS I MENTIONED, A SPACED HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME. HARD FOR THE TENANT TO FILL THIS SPACE WOULD NOW LOSE THE ONE PROSPECT, THE TENANT THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS. THERE COULD BE SORT DESIGN REQUIREMENTS TO, TO PROMOTE VISIBILITY AND PEDESTRIANISM AND SO, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE. THIS MIGHT MAKE SENSE. PERHAPS, UH, SOME OTHER PART OF THE CITY SUCH AS MIRACLE NOW. BUT HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY, I THINK IT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. YOU PERHAPS WANNA CONSIDER INCENTIVIZING THIS AS OPPOSED TO ALLEGATING IT. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFECTIVE. AND I POTABLE, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP AN MIND. WHILE BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES MAY NOT BE THE MOST ACTIVE USES, THEY ARE A FUNCTION THAT EVERY RESIDENT OF THIS CITY NEEDS. AND IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT FUNCTION HERE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FILL A BUILDING AT 90. NOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 YEARS, THIS SORT OF REGULATION DOES NOT HELP. AND THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT SORT OF REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE. I THINK AT A MINIMUM, THIS, UH, THIS AUDIENCE NEEDS A LOT OF REVIEW ANALYSIS AND FACTORING IN WHAT THE TACTICAL IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE. YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I WANNA DISCUSS RIGHT NOW WE WERE FOCUSED COMPLETELY ON PART OF CITY WHEN THE, AND OTHERS AND COULD CAUSE INTENDED CONSEQUENCES. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. YOU, ANY OTHER ZOOM? NO PHONE CLOSE THE, THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP TWO. BACK TO THE, THE BOARD DISCUSSIONS. UM, YES SIR. SO I, I KNOW WE WERE KIND OF FIXATED ON, ON MIRACLE MILE AND IT, IT DID, THE CONCEPT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THE AL PIZZA, UH, BUILDING, I DIDN'T KNOW IS THAT PART OF THE, OF THE, WHAT REQUIRED AREA IS ME. SO CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH THE ACTIVATION, PROPOSED ACTIVATION STANDARD? CAN WE LOOK AT THAT? 'CAUSE THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THERE. THAT 25% OF THE 10 AT FOUR BAY AREA, THAT'S ONE OPTION. THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE A MINIMUM 20 FOOT CUSTOMER SERVICE AREA DEPTH, UH, EXTENDING ACROSS ONLY 50% OF THE LINK FRONT HERE. BUT IT WOULD APPLY THERE TOO. IT WOULD APPLY LOCATION WOULD APPLY THAT LOCATION, CORRECT? YEAH. THAT LOCATION IS WITHIN THE DESIGN. ARE WE TRYING TO PROMOTE ACTIVATION HERE TOO? IS THAT THE, EVERYTHING THAT'S OKAY. NOT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN MX, BUT THIS CASE, THE ONE THAT MARIO IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S WITHIN THE DESIGN OVER, YEAH. SO, SO, SO BASICALLY FROM PONTS TO LAJEUNE FROM BIRD TO US ONE. FAIR ENOUGH. CORRECT. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. AND SO, I MEAN THE O THE MAIN ISSUE I SEE PRIMARILY ON CORNERS. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT THE MAIN ISSUE I SEE THERE, AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S BAD, BUT A, A BANK LIKE PNC GIBRALTAR, ONE OF THESE PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS, IF THEY OPEN UP A CAFE OR SOMETHING, YOU HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. NICE. I MEAN, SEVEN 11 WAS PRETTY BAD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL BAD, BUT THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF LOITERING, UH, YOU KNOW, TRUANCY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. YOU'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK FOR A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION IT WOULD BE A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW GIVEN THE PROXIMITY THAT YOU HAVE HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. SO, I'M SORRY YOU BEAT UP. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS COLLABORATE THAT HOPEFULLY SOME IDEAS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT OTHER IDEAS. I THINK THE GENERAL BROUGHT UP INCENTIVIZING A BUSINESS MAYBE MIGHT BE AN OPTION. WE HAVE TWO INCENTIVES THAT ARE, UH, WHICH ARE, UH, BASICALLY TAKING OUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UH, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. SO IT'S, BUT IT'S EITHER OR, OR THEY CAN ALSO GET ADDITIONAL, UH, PROJECT PROJECTION. THEY GET ADDITIONAL SIGN BONUS SIGNAGE. BUT YOU'RE NOT EVEN ABLE THE OPTION. THEY DO HAVE AN OPTION. YEAH, THEY WOULD, TO DO THIS, IF YOU'RE GONNA OPEN A BANK, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS IF PROPOSED, IF IT'S A NEW PROPOSED BANK CORNER IN THESE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. YEAH, BUT WHY DON'T WE DO IT? WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS WHY YOU SAY A OR B, WE WANNA PROMOTE WALKING OR , WHY DON'T YOU SAY YOU CAN DO IT THOUGH WAY, BUT IF YOU WANNA DO IT THIS WAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A, B AND C AS AN OPTION. GIVE THAT OPTION. 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH P AND C BANK, MY FORMER LIFE OWES A COP. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. WE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE LEAVING HIGH SCHOOL. WE WERE US, SIR. THEY'RE GONNA BE AT THE BANK DRINKING COFFEE, FU DOING WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO. I'M NOT GONNA WALK OVER THERE INTO THAT BANK AND DO BUSINESS WHILE THEY'RE ALL THERE. SO, ONCE AGAIN, [01:05:01] I'M SORRY. NO OFFENSE. CALL GABLES. I I'M PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. BUT THESE ARE LEGIT ISSUES, WHICH IS WHY I'M GONNA VOTE MULTIPLE, WHAT THIS IS NOW. SO I WANNA REITERATE THE FACT AGAIN, THAT WE ARE TAKING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS OUT OF RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES, WHICH IS CURRENTLY HOW IT IS DEFINED. AND IT'S PRETTY COMMON THAT STAFF, UH, FEELS THAT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS THROUGH A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RETAIL SELF SERVICES AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. AND SPEAKING OF CURRENTLY OR THE OLD WAYS, LEMME CONTINUE TO THE POINT THEN. WE'LL, IN MY CAREER, I'VE DESIGN THREE 40 BANKS. THE WORLD OF BANKING HAS CHANGED COMPLETELY IN THE LAST 30 YEARS OR MORE. AND IT'S STILL CHANGING. UM, BUT CURIOUS THING ABOUT WHAT MR. GARCIA SAID IS THAT, UH, THEY HAVE, UM, A STRUCTURE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A, AS A AND IT WAS A PIZZA PLACE. AND THEN, UH, AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL THEN IT DIED OUT AS AN MD FOR ABOUT A DECADE. AND YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THE, THE USE OF THE, OF THE BANK WOULD MAKE SENSE AS LONG AS THEY COULD STAY THERE, AS LONG AS THEY COULD PROVIDE A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. I, I SEE. AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES TO BOOKS THAT WE READ MANY YEARS AGO BY CHANGE, JACOBS, ET CETERA, FOR THE ACTIVATION OF THESE, THESE STREETS WHERE THE, THE STREETS MIGHT BE ACTIVATED, THEY BECOME SAFER, THEY BECOME THIS, THEY BECOME THAT. BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN AN EMPTY BUILDING. EVERY TIME I WALK DOWN MIRACLE MILE, I SEE PAPER CLOUDING ON, ON THE STOREFRONT. IT'S HEARTBREAK. AND WHEN I SEE, UM, EXISTING BANKS THAT RECENTLY CLOSED ON THE JUNE ROAD, UH, I THINK THAT'S HEARTBREAK. IT'S, IT SPEAKS VOLUMES OF WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING. I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF IS TRYING TO DO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, WHICH IS PROVIDING MORE FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE OBNOXIOUS USES THAT ARE AFFECTING NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. FOR ME, HAVING AN EMPTY PROPERTY, IT IS TELEGRAPHING. YOU DON'T WANNA PUT YOUR BUSINESS THERE WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY OF THEM. AND THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE PSYCHOLOGY OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY GO SHOP. THE SAME THING IS PARKING. PARKING IS AN ISSUE AND YOU MAKE PARKING EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND YOU'RE GONNA GET TICKETED ON TOP OF THAT. PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA GET IN THEIR CARS AND DRIVE THE DAYLEN MALL AND PARK THERE FOR FREE. IT'S JUST, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN REAL ESTATE IS BUILT AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE CARRYING THAT NUT, WHICH IS PROPERTY TAXES AND INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HAVING A BUILDING EMPTY FOR 10 YEARS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE COMPARED TO HAVING A BANK ON THAT PARTICULAR, MY OPINION. THANK YOU. LEMME GET, I'LL COME BACK. NO, I, I I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A CONCERN NOW. YOU'VE HEARD MORE CONCERNS AND MAYBE THE BEST THING IS FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH A REVISED PROPOSAL. OKAY. YEAH. AND ANY RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF OPEN TO, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THEN YOU'RE GONNA GIVE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS. UH, ALEX, NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN AT THIS, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS MIRACLE MILE MORE THAN ANYTHING. AND THE WALKABILITY, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND, AND NORTH POND AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. YEAH. BUT I THINK THEN YOU HAVE A PROPERTY SUCH AS THIS ONE WHERE IT GETS AFFECTED FOR, FOR NO REASON. AND, AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BANKS AND FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS, WE'RE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE CORNER OF S AND MIRACLE MILE. AND NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS ANOTHER BANK IS GOING TO THAT CORNER WHERE THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP PRIOR. SO I THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS EXTREMELY BROAD, EXTREMELY BURDENSOME, ESPECIALLY THE FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THE SCOPE OF THE LOCATION'S A LITTLE TOO BROAD. I THINK WE'VE GOTTA FOCUS MORE ON, I GUESS MIRACLE MIND, MAYBE THE SURROUNDING BLOCKS. BUT I THINK THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THAT, AND QUITE FRANKLY HAS NO WALKABILITY. I DRIVE BY THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. I NEVER SEE ANYONE WALK IN THOSE STREETS. SO I JUST THINK IT DEFINITELY, TO HER POINT, NEEDS SOME EXCEPT STUDENTS. YEAH. EXCEPT FOR STUDENTS WHICH AREN'T GONNA BE THERE AT NIGHT. ANYWAYS. CAN WE ALL SORT OF SPEAK INTO THE MIC BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE COURT REPORTER'S BENEFIT. GONZALO, ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? NOT YET. NOT YET. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THING BECAUSE NOT YET, NOT YET. I'M TRYING, MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASKED THE COUNSEL, WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? BECAUSE MR. RA CAME IN REPRESENTING SIR PIZZA, WHICH IS A VACANT BUILDING. IT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE ACTIVE, IT SHOULD BE A BANK CORNER. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STOREFRONT RUN MIRACLE MILES. SO WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON, SIR? I WANT SOME SORT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. WELL, JUST ON THE ORDINANCE, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO MIRACLE MILE. YEAH. THAT I THINK THAT, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK, GONZALO, BECAUSE THIS IS TOO BROAD. WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, I'M IN FAVOR. IF THIS WAS ONLY MIRACLE MILE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND MAYBE A COUPLE BLOCKS NORTH AND SOUTH OF MIRACLE MILE. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THIS IS NOT A GOOD PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE'RE, THIS [01:10:01] IS THE PERFECT CASE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE A BUILDING EV THAT FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, IT'S EMPTY. WHY WILL THAT BANK AREA WANNA OPEN, SAY OPEN A CAFE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, CROWDS IN THERE THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE COMPATIBLE WITH A BANKING INSTITUTION EMPTY IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY GONE THROUGH A BUILD BIG BUILDING. BOOM. 'CAUSE THAT AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED A LOT KNOW, AND THAT BUILDING STILL SAT EMPTY. SO IT, AND IT BEGS TO THE QUESTION WHY I THINK IF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE FOR EVERYTHING. IF IT'S MIRACLE MILE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PROPOSAL. YEAH. AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN LIMITED AREAS. WE CANNOT SAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE AREAS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK, IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T WORK THERE AND MAKE IT AN OPTION. INCENTIVIZE THEM AND GIVE 'EM OPTION A OR OPTION B. YEAH. DON'T MAKE THIS MANDATORY. YEAH. IF YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR IDEAS. SO I, I THINK, WHAT ARE WE GONNA VOTE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA VOTE ANYTHING TONIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEND THEM BACK. YOU HEARD ALL THE COMMENTS? I THINK WE SHOULD COME BACK WITH A, WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS MORE SPECIFIC FOR AN AREA. IT'S NOT THOSE FOUR, THREE OR THREE AREAS THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, OR INNOVATIVE AREA. UH, YOU MAY WANNA HAVE A BANK. MY OFFICE IS IN THAT AREA AT SIX O'CLOCK, THE LIGHTS ARE PRETTY MUCH GONE. AND ALSO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY OFFICE AND, AND, AND A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION? YOU SHOULD, WE DEFER, COULD WE, COULD WE OR OR MAYBE FOCUS LIKE MAYBE A, A COMBINATION OF MAKING IT OPTIONAL AND STARTING AS LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM WITH MIRACLE MILE. YEAH. OKAY. OR AT LEAST AS, AS A TARGET PRO, YOU KNOW, PILOT, SEE HOW IT WORKS, WORKS OUT. YEAH. STAFF CAN REFINE THAT. I, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S VERY BROAD THE WAY IT'S, DO WE, DO WE DEFER, DO WE CONTINUE MY RECOMMENDATION, DEFER TO A DATE, UNCERTAIN, LET STAFF, UH, COME BACK WITH THE, UH, REVISED PROPOSAL. UH, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. SO THAT THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO CONSIDER THE VARIOUS OPTIONS. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE GO. UH, WE'RE GONNA DEFER. DO YOU THINK THAT 30 DAYS FOR NEXT MEETING IS SUFFICIENT OR YOU WANT TO HAVE TO THE FA THE, THE MEETING AFTER THAT? I, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST, UH, 60 DAYS. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S ONE MORE THING. WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, PARDON? THERE'S ONE MORE THING THAT WHEN WE TALK ONLY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR USE, IT'S SO SMALL. IT'S, SO THINK ABOUT IT. HOW, HOW MANY INSTITUTIONS CAN YOU EVEN PLACE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU TAKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, DIVIDE IT AND GO BACK TO THE AMOUNT THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE CITY OF CORAL GABLES. IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY SMALL. MAYBE THERE, THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED, THAT COULD BE PERMITTED THIS WAY, WHERE YOU COULD STILL ACTIVATE IT. I, I, I REALLY DO BELIEVE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, REDUCING SOME OF THAT DEPTH WHEN WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MIRACLE MILE, SIMPLY BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNED AS RETAIL SPACES IS A DIFFERENT TIME. OKAY. I, I THINK YOU STAFF HAS YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS COME BACK AND OR IS IT GONNA BE NOT IN DAYS, IN 60 DAYS FOR THE JUNE JUNE MEETING? YEAH, WHENEVER THAT DATE WILL BE. WELL, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA ADVERTISE ANYWAY. OKAY. SO I WOULD, I DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY NEED TO GIVE THEM A TIME. THEY COULD COME BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S BETTER. WE NEED A MOTION. SO WE NEED A MOTION TO DEFER. WE DO NEED A MOTION TO DEFER TO A UNCERTAIN MOTION TO THE CHAIRMAN. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. I'M SORRY. WHO MADE THE MOTION AND WHO? SECOND MOTION SON. I LEAVE. ALICE MADE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. NA. NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. WE HAVE THE ELECTION UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THE DEFERRAL. YES. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN [E.-3. 26-1393 Election of Planning and Zoning Board: - Chair - Vice-Chair] ON THE, UH, ON E THREE ELECTION. I'D LIKE TO DEFER THIS FOR THE NEXT TILL NEXT MEETING, UNLESS IT'S, UH, WE S ON THE BOARD TO CONTINUE WITH THIS ITEM. I'D LIKE TO GO INTO THE DISCUSSION MORE THAN THE ELECTION AT THIS TIME, BUT I, I THINK I'M, I'M GONNA BRING UP THE ELECTIONS NOW. UM, IT'S ON THE AGENDA. I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA PUSH IT. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE ELECTION. I [01:15:01] WOULD, I WOULD MOVE, I WOULD ALSO MOVE TO TO DEFER. TO DEFER THAT. YEAH. I'LL SECOND THAT. SORRY TO DEFER. YEAH. I, I, YEAH. SO THERE'S A MOTION TO DEFER AND WE HAVE A SECOND. AND TO A PARTICULAR TIME OR TO NEXT MEETING. WHY ARE WE DEFERRING THIS? THANK, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT, WE GOT DISCUSSED ALL SEVEN OF US HERE. HERE. EVERYBODY'S HERE. WHAT ARE WE NEED FOR THAT IS TRUE. WHAT, WHAT? I MEAN WE ARE HERE. MIGHT AS WELL JUST TAKE ADVANCE. LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF ON TUESDAY THEY MOVE THE ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER THAT CHANGES OUR PERIODS THAT IT COULD AFFECT THE FUTURE OF THIS BOARD. EXACTLY. THERE'S THERE'S TOO MANY WHAT IFS. EXACTLY. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU ALL HOW YOU FEEL. YOU COULD DO THE ELECTION NOW. YOU COULD, YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DEFER. IT'S WITHIN YOUR DISCRETION. LET'S, LET'S TAKE A, I GUESS A IN A FOOT AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING? GONZALO. I, I MEAN THE ONLY REASON WHY I I WOULD CH CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE ALL OF US HERE AND WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE. WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN PUNTING THIS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, MONTHS NOW. AND SO I, I I, I VOTE WE'LL JUST HAVE THE ELECTION. FELIX, YOU'RE, I, I HAVE NO, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT A DOES MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE REFERENDUM THAT'S COMING UP. BUT WOULD THAT REALLY AFFECT US? I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS, IF IT MOVES IT, IF IT MOVES IT TO NOVEMBER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE POTENTIAL NEW PEOPLE. IT MIGHT HAVE A BRAND NEW COMMISSIONER. THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO APPOINT THEIR OWN PEOPLE. SO IT MIGHT CHANGE IT FROM MAY. YEAH. BUT TO DECEMBER, THEN WE WOULD'VE TO PUT THIS OFF FOR SIX, SEVEN MONTHS TILL THAT ELECTION HAPPENS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THAT, THAT COMMENT IS PROBABLY GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE LATER. I'LL DEAL OVER THAT LATER. BUT YOU, YOU CAN MAKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO LEAVE IT AT AS IS. 'CAUSE I LIKE ROBERT IS BEING THE CHAIRPERSON. WELL, THERE WAS A MOTION TO DEFER. NO, THAT'S, WE ALREADY KILLED THAT. HAS THEY WITHDRAWN THEIR MOTION? WITHDRAWN. I'VE WITHDRAWN IT NOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO STATUS QUO. SO WE'RE GONNA PUN IT FOR SIX MONTHS. YEAH. SO ARE, SO IF IT'S STATUS QUO, WE'RE VOTING ON IT TONIGHT. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I PUT A MOTION FORWARD FOR KEEP IT STATUS QUO. WELL, STATUS QUO MEANS THAT IT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THAT'S WHAT STATUS QUO MEANS. NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE GOTTA VOTE FOR A CHAIRMAN IS ROBERT. IIII ROBERT, BUT I, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ELECTIONS? WHAT DICTATES TECHNICALLY IT'S APRIL TILL. TILL THE, TECHNICALLY IT HASN'T OPENED. NO, TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY THE OP UPON APPOINTMENT OF TO THE BOARD. RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED ELECTION IS. I HAVE TO ASK STAFF. WHEN IS THE, I THINK WE'RE WELL BEYOND THE TIME THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION FOR CHAIR AND WE'VE PUSHED IT OFF. WHAT ARE WE REQUIRED TO DO AND WHEN WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO AT ANY TIME, UH, WE SUGGEST THAT WE DO IT WHEN WE HAVE A FULL BOARD HERE AND ALL OF OUR MEMBERS APPOINTED OR ARE WE NOT MOTION? YOUR MOTION IS WHAT NOMINATE ROBERT. BUT, BUT KEN, I, I'M, I CAST STATE AS, AS, AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW, THE CHAIRPERSON. I'M GONNA MAKE A, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT, MAKE ALEX ELLO AS THE CHAIRPERSON. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FULL CHAIR. I CAN, I CAN BE. SO, UH, CAN WE CALL THE VOTE ON THAT, SIR? CALL FOR ROLL. I MADE A MOTION TO MAKE ALEX THE CHAIRPERSON. SECOND BYO? YES. GON YES AS YES. MR. MENDEZ. YES. ALEX ELLO. YES. AND ROBERT MAYOR. YES. WHO'S THE VICE CHAIR? SO NOW I'LL MAKE A VOTE. WE, WE NEED A SECOND VOTE ON THE VICE CHAIR. I MAKE ALEX TO BE DON BE THE VICE CHAIR. SECOND THERE. A MOTION TO SECOND. CAN WE CALL THE ROLL GONZALEZ AND NO IGNACIO ALVAREZ? YES. ALICE BRAVO. I GUESS. YES. ALEX BUSO. YES. NESTER MENENDEZ. YES. FELIX PARDO. YES. ROBERT BEHAR. YES. SO I GUESS MR. CHAIR, I TURN OVER THE GOBBLE TO YOU. THANK YOU. YOUR CHAIR. SO FOR THE NEW CHAIR, [01:20:01] UH, YOUR ONLY OTHER, UH, THING THAT YOU NEED TO DO TONIGHT IS TO CALL A MOTION TO ADJOURN. BUT YOU'RE WELCOME IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A SPEECH. . WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR, ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT. I WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS , SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE SERVED ON THIS BOARD, I GUESS NOW FOR TWO DIFFERENT TERMS, SO CLOSE TO TWO YEARS. SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MAKE CALL. I GUESS A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.